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Can you please join me in my effort to pray for u/211
submitted 15 days ago by Titanic from self.AskSaidIt
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[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 15 days ago* (22 children)
What religion were the people praying,
Various. Biased towards Christian.
and were they in the state of grace?
I don't see that that was controlled for. So there would have been both amongst the people praying.
[–]Titanic[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 14 days ago (21 children)
Well there's your problem.
[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 13 days ago (20 children)
You think they shouldn't have been Christian?
Or you think people praying not in a state of grace will cancel out the prayers of people in a state of grace?
[–]Titanic[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 13 days ago (19 children)
Not in a state of grace might not work as well as state of grace.
So if 99 of 100 were not, you'd get 99 weaker prayers and 1 strong one.
[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 13 days ago (18 children)
Neither the strong ones nor the weak ones made a difference that was measurable.
[–]Titanic[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 13 days ago (17 children)
We don't know how many were strong and how many were weak
[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 13 days ago* (16 children)
That's right. We only know that none of them worked better than not praying.
If you want to help people, you really need to find some tangible way to do it.
[–]Titanic[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 13 days ago* (15 children)
Well if you repeat the study and ask people if they are obeying church teaching and doctrine and believe themselves to be in the state of grace and then try it again, then I'd be very curious to see.
It could be that the prayers were just too weak for God to change the course of history over.
Or maybe the prayers weren't genuine and they just did what they were told.
On the other hand, and this is unfalsifiable so take it with a grain of salt, maybe doing the test pissed God off because he says right in the bible that he hates being put to the test, and so he deliberately ignored it.
[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 13 days ago (14 children)
Or maybe prayer doesn't work, and if you want to do some good in the world, you have to get off your knees and actually do something yourself.
That's the most likely because the data doesn't support some prayers working, and god getting upset at being tested and so letting people suffer instead is too fragile an ego for the omniscient and all powerful. As well as being too spiteful for the all loving.
[–]Cantbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 12 days ago (13 children)
If prayer doesn't work, then why did I find a penny on the way to work this morning after staying up praying to God all night that I wouldn't have to go to the office and see that fucking kike hag secretary Peggy's face after she rudely rejected my offer of a Dos Equis and a film at my abode?
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