Saidit, what if we showed who voted on everything?

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[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

This… isn't like you at all.

Let's put this another way: How would you react to the headline "Employers Use Voting Information to Discriminate Against Employees Based on Their Political Beliefs"? What about "Threats of Domestic Abuse Lead insert group here to Vote Against Their Interests"?

What benefit of complete transparency would outweigh that?

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Not that the corporatocracy obeys the law much, but your first example is, as it stands VERY illegal by any measure. So is domestic abuse and such.

Is it worse to do a hate crime or a loving crime?

The laws on "hate crimes" are utterly stupid because they are crimes that should be prosecuted as "crimes". Hate and hate speech is sooo utterly subjective.

So too your "theoretical" examples are so subjective and theoretical. And so the rest of us should lose our transparency in the off chance one of the voters is an abusive criminal at home or in the work place? BULL SHIT.

Complete transparency removes all doubt of fuckery - whether by infiltrating actors or by the site administrators. We need to embrace transparency at every level as much as possible, at every chance, no matter how seemingly insignificant to fight back, just as they do, to apply death by a thousand cuts.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Domestic abuse affects a high proportion of the population; more than 20%, iirc. And yes, I know it's illegal, but so is domestic abuse and that doesn't stop it from happening. I'm an idealist, but even I'm pragmatic enough to know that the law isn't followed in its entirety by anyone.

It's more important that people can vote freely than that we can see who other people have voted for. In an ideal society we wouldn't have to make that trade-off, but an ideal society isn't populated by greedy, corrupt humans.

Anyway, you know how cross people are about Facebook's data collection and sharing with the highest bidder? Imagine that, but if Facebook gave out the data freely. (The "breaches" actaully showed that it did, but hey.) People would use that data and add it to the statistical profile on them.

I value my privacy more than the transparency of this site, because if this site goes bad we can make another but I can't make another life for myself.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Well voting abuses are not domestic abuses, nor do they carry the same statistics. If anything making voting transparent people could see if their votes were legit or not. Once it goes in who knows what happens. If it's public the crowd can shout out and say "Hey, that's not how I voted!" It's just another way Voting_Is_A_Rigged_Joke

Which is freer - living in a state where the elections are rigged and you get the government forced upon you, or living in a state where you can stand up to tyranny with your voice in the open? It's intentionally suppressive and delusional to think we need to hide our votes. And if we actually did need to hid them then the suppression is even worse and self evident.

No. You're so utterly confusing the Facebook data selling issue so much I can't even discuss it until you straighten your concepts out.

Transparency of this site and your personal profile security are not opposing ideas. I'm not asking for everyone's mask to be removed at all. I'm only asking that we know which mask is doing what at all times but the masks remain secure. When a mask goes bad we can address it.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

At least don't make it retroactive.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

What are you afraid of TimothyMartin?

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

No, I'm not. But I created the voting data that Saidit currently holds based on the belief that it was not publicly accessible information – or at least that it wasn't easily accessible by the public. Having a list of what I've voted on suddenly appearing would probably cause me to remove my account.

I am as motivated by social pressures as the next person.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Give me an example of anything on SaidIt that is so taboo that you'd be ashamed or frightened if folks found out about it. True or not, hypothetical, whether you are for or against it or even voted for it.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The numerous MartinTimothy inconsistent antisemitic nonsense rants. (I mean the really nonsense ones that contradict themselves, not the ones with a semblance of truth.)

Ok, so maybe I wouldn't quit Saidit, but I'd still feel uncomfortable about it.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You'd be "ashamed or frightened if folks found out about" the nonsensical ravings of a lunatic mind?

He's clearly got issues and is making them worse with his aliases.

I'm quite sure I've even voted for some of his posts or comments - whether it was because there was one good idea, or maybe to "read/unread" check them, or from before I even knew about his "issues".

I'm not embarrassed by that. If someone points to one of my votes for him I'll uncheck it, but I won't deny it. I might even leave it if he deserved it.

Ain't no shame nor fear in that.