Racism

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[–]passionflounder 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Please accept my apologies but I still cannot agree.

Mein Kampf was available in 1925 for the world at large to read and figure out the true nature of this Hitler fellow. Its availability gave the world a chance to head off the ugliness of Nazi Germany and the holocaust. Without those admittedly evil thoughts, Hitler may likely have still risen to power because the presence of his manifesto did not have a bearing on the global economic and political situation post WWI that was his opportunity.

The words were the product of a troubled and evil mind. They did not cause the evil. It was evil that created them. Those words did not kill six million jews, their author did- and it's likely that history would have unfolded the same whether or not the words had been written and published.

To me, one's words offer a convenient window into their character- allowing me to make assessments at a safe distance. Deprive idiots of their opportunity to show their true colors and they'll necessarily be much closer to innocent people when their true selves come out.

It is absolutely your right to see words as injurious and I encourage you to find platforms that will indulge that premise.

[–]MagicMike 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Hitler had an IQ of 150+ and early on had excellent ideas for rebuilding Germany. It’s just too damn bad he had such a dark side to him.

[–]passionflounder 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A big part of the enabling was the terms of the treaty ending WWI that held Germany largely responsible for a war they did not start. Hitler's main thrust as he campaigned legitimately was providing "living space" (lebensraum) for Germans who had seen their country whittled down according to the terms of the Treaty of Versailles.

It's noteworthy that Hitler had served a prison sentence for a failed coup (Beer Hall or Munich Putsch) in 1923 and the writings excerpted in the OP's response were probably authored while he was serving his sentence. The proverbial writing was not only on the wall but in manuscript form as to he nature of what was to come.

I suspect (because I cannot possibly know for sure) that the general attitude was that Germany had been screwed over royally by the treaty so that could have magnified general reluctance for military enforcement when the Nazis began violating the terms by not only building its military past the treaty's limits but also by annexing/invading Lithuania, Czechoslovakia, and Austria in parts or entirety.

The decision to invade Poland was the line too far as far as France and England were concerned.

Hitler laid responsibility for Germany's sad state at the feet of Jewish American bankers. Germany's very existence had relied on credit extended during the 1920's but the stream of cash dried up after the stock market crash in October 1929 that led tot he depression. He also managed to convince enough Germans that Jews had exerted influence over the terms of the treaty forcing not only the ceding of territory and restricting the size of Germany's army, but also mandating the payment of war reparations.

Without the extreme terms of the treaty, Adolph Hitler may have at most been little more than a footnote in history.

[–]WoodyWoodPecker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hitler was a mean drunk! /s

[–]Death_By_Democracy[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The point is that Hitler was a nasty piece of work who made it very clear what he believed. And it turns out that what he believed was also believed by thousands, if not millions or even billions of other people. Hitler didn't kill the Jews - he wouldn't have had the time to manage the war if he spent his time killing millions of Jews, Roma, Poles, black people and socialists. And sure, the book he wrote didn't kill the Jews either - it's a book and doesn't have that capacity. But to pretend that his words had no part in the systematic murder of millions of people carried out by thousands of Germans and Ukrainians is, in my opinion, just missing the point.

Words have power. The words here on Saidit have little power because no-one is reading them. But the rot spreads, and pretending there is no problem is foolish.

[–]passionflounder 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Words may have power but in my view, that power is heavily vested in an audience's willingness to give it. I'm afraid that we're going to have to agree to disagree here. I beg your forgiveness if I'm mistaken but i see a number of tells suggesting this entire discussion may not have been posted in good faith.

[–]Death_By_Democracy[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

"this entire discussion may not have been posted in good faith" sounds a bit whiny, to be honest. If you think I am playing some sort of game, let's hear it, rather than you making shallow insinuations. BTW - your faux politeness is irritating.

[–]passionflounder 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I couldn't care less about your irritation. I'm positing a point contrary to yours and your responses have included thinly veiled swipes at my intelligence which strikes me as an attempt to provoke a flame war.

Your initial post evokes a straw argument which in my estimation weakens your point and with this response it's beyond clear that you are not here for a fair discussion.

My original point stands. Words alone do not in and of themselves possess the power to injure. The inability or unwillingness of individuals such as yourself to civilly and respectfully engage in discourse that airs differing views is a far bigger threat to free speech than anything Hitler, Stalin, or other despot wrote... let alone anything racist and antisemitic posted here.

If your feelings are so readily bruised by words, Reddit offers a most protective environment that indulges censorship enthusiasts such as yourself. Respond if you must but I am through dealing with you. Have a smashing day.

[–]Death_By_Democracy[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This was you just a few minutes ago -

I beg your forgiveness if I'm mistaken but i see a number of tells suggesting this entire discussion may not have been posted in good faith.

I called you out on it and said this -

If you think I am playing some sort of game, let's hear it

This is you now -

I'm positing a point contrary to your and your responses have included thinly veiled swipes at my intelligence which strikes me as an attempt to provoke a flame war.

I don't know what I have done to upset you, but really, you need to calm down.