Why do black Americans complain about slavery, they didn't personally experience it and living in the US is better than living in Africa

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[–]UbiquitousCultOfSelf 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

And I respect your mentioning the Irish.
Now, mind you, this isn't my 'thing', but I do try to have empathy.
The difference between the Irish and the 'African American' slave is many-fold I'm sure.
Not the least of which is the fact that Irish are 'white', even if they were at one time considered the trash of white people by other white people.
Heck, while we're at it we can mention that a great deal of 'white' indentured servants came over on the Mayflower.
The difference there being, eventually their contract was up, and the Irish, anyone can correct me if I'm wrong which I can readily admit I'm merely generalizing--were not enslaved anywhere near as long as that chattel slavery that the 'African American' has been. 'African Americans' try to claim 400 years of slavery, so obviously to get on the radar, the Irish would have to come within striking distance of that number. But let's just count from the founding of the republic until wiki tells us the last slave was freed, (I'd like to say until the end of the civil war, but if there was beyond I guess it could count) December 18, 1865 was when it was codified by congress.
That puts it at 89 years. Hmph, well... using those numbers we'd have something to talk about.
But if we say that the 'white colonizers' all bear some of the burden, then we'd have to really include the Arabs who dealt in the slave trade and the tribal leaders back in Africa who were complicit.
So honestly, I agree that there's more to this than just straight numbers and fairness, however,
short of another civil war, the woke left which includes virtue signaling sufferers of 'white guilt' with regards to the Blacks' treatment in America, it's far more about feelings and healing the rift than logic and calm airing of grievances.

I'd love a unified country. None of our Rocket Man, Xi Xing Ping Ping, or Commandant Stalin bare-Bear chest would stand in our way.

[–]MSmixer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Well, I can tell you that the Irish would reach the end of their servitude and then they would say "OK, and now here is the bill for room and board", etc and so they never got out of the contract. That's not important to the discussion, just fun fact? Back to your point about how the healing of hurt feelings, I honestly don't see that being possible at this point, especially not in CA. Specifically San Francisco as they have put forward all these insane offers like $7million, $95k per year on top of the lump sum 7, $1 for a house and guaranteed college funds and there is no way to deliver on this. People are saying thats not enough and so I see this getting really ugly really soon! I will admit, I am not sure what steps need to be undertaken but I find myself saying we never should have allowed women in government. This is based off congressional hearings, I mean ranting, raving hysteria and not just from the left. I do feel like respect and discipline have been missing for too long, again how to fix this us beyond my purview. Personally I am planning on breaking off into a tribe of reasonable, hard working, self sufficient others somewhere remote.

[–]UbiquitousCultOfSelf 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I'm with you. And yes, I know that they would often do that to contracts. It's an old dirty trick.
Women in government, I agree with you. It was a mistake.
Women already held an unhealthy sway over policy before there was "suffrage". P-pass was real. Withhold relations, make life miserable (Better is a morsel of bread on the corner of a roof in the rain than a wonderful meal with a bickering woman, is a paraphrase of a Biblical proverb.) and most men would crack and do a 180 on legitimate views.
America would have done well to have military service mandatory from its inception, but at least from the 40's onward. We'd be living in a different America, and likely a better one.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So you want 1984. Sigh, just like pretty much everyone but me these days...

[–]UbiquitousCultOfSelf 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Want it? No. Of course not.
Will it come though?
Friend, I would prefer in many ways an EMP.
Simpler life is a more honest one and I think the person above me was expressing that same sentiment.
A world where one can use his skills and work hard, and live amongst a society of like minded people who have a sense of community when there's a need, but otherwise mind their own.
By the sweat of the brow, right?

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You said every man should be forced to be in the military like this is fucking North Korea. And you called women shit.

[–]UbiquitousCultOfSelf 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

lol, only that I did neither.
If you're done being Phil Donahue (Are you male? I don't want to mis-gender now)
I stated a fact that women are capable and do use sex and the withholding of affection as a bargaining tool.
Both sexes use manipulation, do they not?
So to state that before the suffrage movement, women still had significant sway over their husbands--whether lawmaker or lower, shouldn't be all that controversial.
Military service is a good thing. I was not fortunate to have served, but I have mad respect for those who have.
Old ideals were in some ways better than ones we have today.

There's no sense of patriotism in upcoming generations because the concept of military service is completely foreign.
They are embarrassed of the United States and label it backwards and forwards a contemptibly racist proposition that must be destroyed at all costs.

Maybe you're a leftist. And I'm not trying to denigrate you by asking that, I don't know you from Adam, but if Jordan Peterson's schtick resonates with certain youth, you've got to ask yourself, why?

Is it because they're taught all the things that supposedly set one up for success, but not faithfulness, perseverance, personal responsibility and discipline?
The old military allegedly gave people a compass, one to set direction by.
You can be a rudderless ship, but how's that working out for ya, America? Seems like the MGToW is a pushback reaction to what men see as a stacked deck against them.
Hey, I guess you do you, boo.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't want any of this new political bullshit. At the least I want the land of the FREE back, and ideally we go to minarchy or even total abolition of the state.

I guess I could count us lucky that we ever had that at all. It just doesn't jive with human nature.

I also despise identity politics.

[–]UbiquitousCultOfSelf 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'll have to look into "minarchy" apparently "Night-Watchman state"? Which sounds way cooler.