Do you support Putin's approaches in Ukraine? Yes or no?

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    [–]StillLessons 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (14 children)

    There are productive conversations, and there are unproductive conversations. The method you have chosen here is the classic cheap journalist technique of "soundbiting" a complex issue. This is not a productive conversation. You will see my opinions in the comments I have made in other threads that were relatively interesting. I stand by what I have written in those comments.

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

    Which is a way of saying, 'yes'. In other words, you imply in your comments that you can overlook war crimes, genoocide, murdering thousand s of unarmed people, the displacement of 10 million people, the bombing to rubble of a country, all for no legitimate reason (and no, it was not about 'liberating' Ukraine). Numerous Russians are also against the genocide and destruction. Even if you don't like some of the leadership in Ukraine, nothing justifies the invasion. There isn't any nuance in what Putin and his generals have arranged. This is not 'a complex issue'. It's a survey. Thank you for your response.

    [–]StillLessons 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

    You wonder why people get so pissed off at you, Socks, you have just exemplified your style perfectly. I refuse to answer a simplistically "gotcha" phrased survey, so you simply insert the answer you choose to ascribe to me and go about your day. That is blatantly dishonest communication. It's flagrant. You're literally making shit up. I know what I wrote in my comments, and it's not what you just put in my mouth. That's called lying. Absolute lying. People know what I have said, and they know what you say. I repeat, I will let my comments stand for themselves. Hint: my comments say nothing of what you have just suggested they do. You are remarkable. I suppose the only positive I can take from your comment is that to attack my words with the desperation of manufacturing your own false version of my perspective, you must feel kind of touchy that I might (just might) actually be reaching some people. You can have the last word. I said from the beginning this conversation was a waste of time, and your response proves I was absolutely correct.

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    No need to attack me. It was important that I note that there is a fundamental problem here regarding the claim that a simple yes/no answer is not appropriate. There is absolutely no scenario in which the answer, yes, is appropriate.

    [–]AXXA 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

    There is absolutely no scenario in which the answer, yes, is appropriate.

    And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

    And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

    Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    If you comment on the tyranny of the 'chosen people', look up: Jesus and the Gentiles

    If you try to justify fascist war crimes, note which side of this argument Jesus is on, and responses to the abuses of every powerful nation in history, and how “blessed are the meek [not the weak], for they will inherit the earth.”

    [–]AXXA 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

    For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    Then God will help Ukraine fight the war criminals

    [–]rmprtom 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    ukraine is going to die in a pile of blood and shit. Long Live Putin

    [–]rmprtom 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    god made dick, so suck on one.

    [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

    Dude you are seriously fucking delirious. THE MEDIA ARE LYING TO YOU JUST LIKE THEY LIED TO YOU ABOUT EVERY OTHER IMPORTANT ISSUE. EVER.

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    This argument might work with 12-year-olds - that all major news media is bad - but that's obviously beside the point. Look at the raw videos.

    [–]usehername 2 insightful - 8 fun2 insightful - 7 fun3 insightful - 8 fun -  (2 children)

    Can we please get a response from u/yabbit

    [–]yabbit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    I can't believe I got left off the list

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You were initially invited, and then I lost track of the name when I grouped the invitations together.

    [–]Tiwaking 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    Hi Socks! Hey I didnt get the tag alert because there is a limit of 3 tags per post.
    Do I support Putins approaches in Ukraine?
    Timing - Yes
    Opportunity - Yes
    Actions - No
    Motivations - Yes
    Methods - No
    Total: 3 Yes, 2 No
    Final Answer: Yes

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Indeed, the cognitive dissonance answer is yes.

    [–]RedEyedWarrior 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    Calculated form of based.

    [–]Zahn 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

    Heya cutie, did you call me? What can I do for you? I'm out of fresh flowers but I will go pick some if you need them? <3

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    Do you support genocide?

    Kisses

    [–]Zahn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    Oh no, Mr.Socks, not playing your juvenile If/Then mousetrap game. The bigger fool is to argue with a fool. I wish there was some more MSM leaning platform, infested with "top of the bell curve" normies like you. Which then inquiring people could go to and wildly disagree with everyone without getting banned/censored. Sort of like the privilege that you are able to exercise here. I would hope it would give you pause to consider the sub-text of the fact that platforms which endorse most of your personal narratives also stifle/delete any debate of those narratives.

    I appreciate the entertainment value that you bring in kicking the hornets nest though, and I suppose that's why M7 keeps you around despite your often predictable, cognitively copy/pasted responses to everything. I mean....why go to reddit when socks brings reddit here? Here's your pretty flower for the day... 🌷͜ (ᵔ ̮ ᵔ)›

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    An odd way to say 'yes'.

    XOXO

    [–]Zahn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    You are literally the worst boyfriend ever, and I'm sure it's not the first time you've heard this.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    it is, actually. I'm heartbroken.

    BTW: I have responsed to a post like your elsewhere in the thread. My serious response is essentially that we should not so easily dismiss the raw video evidence of war crimes and other attrocities. There is no nuance in Putin's approaches. What you see is what you get. An attempt to take Ukraine, or as much of it as possible, regardless of the costs and the war crimes. We cannot support that in good conscience.

    [–]Zahn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    it is, actually. I'm heartbroken.

    Sad...you've never had a romantic partner. I guess that explains why "you are the way you are". It'll be okay! If you need some advice, feel free to reach out.

    BTW: I have responsed to a post like your elsewhere in the thread. My serious response is essentially that we should not so easily dismiss the raw video evidence of war crimes and other attrocities. There is no nuance in Putin's approaches. What you see is what you get. An attempt to take Ukraine, or as much of it as possible, regardless of the costs and the war crimes. We cannot support that in good conscience.

    I hear that Ukraine is looking for volunteers. Shhh, shhhh..no more words, we need action. Make a difference Socks....enlist now!