Do you support Putin's approaches in Ukraine? Yes or no?

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Survey: Do you support Putin's approaches in Ukraine? Yes or no?

@ 7:30 am EST, 8 April:

Yea = 23

Nay = 9

Anyone not saying nay, is counted as a yea.

Thus it would appear that over 2/3rds of Saidit support the unprovoked destruction of Ukraine and the genocide of its people.

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[–]soundsituation 22 insightful - 6 fun22 insightful - 5 fun23 insightful - 6 fun -  (27 children)

I am anti-war.

[–]AXXA 11 insightful - 6 fun11 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 6 fun -  (5 children)

Ukraine has already been waging the war since 2014.

[–]jet199 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

By being invaded.

Why did you hit my first with your face?

[–]AXXA 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

There's two wars being fought on different orders of magnitude. There's the Ukraine vs. Russia war but that's just another of many proxy wars for the larger West vs. East war. That war has been waged since the end of World War II back when the West and East were allied against the Axis powers. In that larger war the American CIA was the initial aggressor in Ukraine by staging a violent coup against the democratically elected President Yanukovych. The CIA installed their puppet neo-Nazi regime that then began ethnically cleansing Donbass. CIA warmongers have escalated hostilities right to the brink of a global exchange of nuclear strikes. If that happens the residents of cities across the globe will fry leaving behind nothing but their shadows burned into the concrete.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Russian joke

"According to Putin the special military operation is really a conflict btw Russia and NATO about world dominance."

"Whats the situation now?"

"Russia has lost 15000 troops, 6 generals, 500 tanks, 3 ships, 100 planes and 1000 trucks. NATO hasn't arrived yet."

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Regardless of CIA's activities, the political arrangements in other countries are still their own. It's not like the CIA has that much power in most countries. You might be thinking of CIA support for coups in some countries, but this is far more complicated than to suggest that the CIA managed the entire operation in each case. Most importantly, it's just not possible to develop enough evidence of any significant CIA involvement in Ukraine in recent years, even if we know that the CIA should be there and in Moscow and other major countries. We have to work with what we can corroborate, or at the very least, logically assess.

[–]portace 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (6 children)

Russia's invasion is complicated, not completely unjustified, but Putin may also be playing into NATO's hands, which has me wondering if he's a possible stooge working with the pedos as some people believe.

Russian media and Putin (though biased) is a lot more truthful and speaks based on reality compared to NATO media and politicians though, which makes me believe they're not a part of this charade.

Also if Putin was in on it, Russian soldiers would actually be committing war crimes instead of Ukrainian soldiers setting up false flags.

In terms of how Putin approached the Ukraine situation, he probably should have spent the resources on covert ops instead of a military invasion. Just do what NATO does and incite an opposing coup combined with a shit ton of propaganda with supporting "human rights" and "pro-democracy" infrastructure. US taxpayer dollars are spread fairly thin among all the countries that the globalists try to control or regime change, so Russia just focusing their resources on one region may have a chance of working.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Sadly - you're wrong on all points - prompted I suppose by pro-Russian right-wing news media. All of this false information is what Putin wants you to believe, and obviously you do.

[–]Zahn 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

*points on the doll...where did the Putin touch you?

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

*to the doll

I'll record this as a 'yes'. Cheeers, sweetheart.

[–]AXXA 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I'll record this as a 'yes'.

Make sure to record your hours in fifteen minute increments.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Says the supporter of genocide. Disappointed I am....

[–]Zahn 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

You are definitely not American..lolz

[–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (12 children)

^

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

so that's a 'yes'

[–]JasonCarswell 7 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 6 fun -  (10 children)

So you're a LIAR.
I never said any such thing idiot.

Fuck both sides and your false choice.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Which means that you support genocide, while also not supporting genocide. (Once you support the former, no one's listening to your claim of lack of support for it.)

[–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (6 children)

BULLSHIT.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

(grow up)

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

No hairs visible on your balls but already you're trying to bully others. Interesting.🤔

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Spend less time looking at childrens' balls, and read Carsmell's comment history, and you'll see that he's the bully.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

He isn't. I assure you. He just is able to think for himself and actually does it.

[–]AlanSmith33 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

If you don't post a picture of you eating a booger, you're literally a genocidal Nazi.

If you don't do this within reasonable time (it's probably too late when you read this) I will have written you down in my statistical survey as "Nazi with genocidal tendencies". I expect your reply within a certain time or consider it a confirmation of this statement.

[–]AlanSmith33 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you for your non-reply, accepting these statements. I do not interact with nazis FUCK OFF NAZI SWINE!!!!!!!!

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    [–]RedEyedWarrior 9 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 6 fun -  (17 children)

    I don’t care. I don’t live in either country, nor do I border either country.

    [–]grassfed 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

    Based

    [–]jostiniane 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

    The only good answer

    Why Americans make everything about America?

    The dems are upset it's them who started the war lmao

    [–]RedEyedWarrior 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

    A lot of Americans have this hero/villain mentality. Same with a lot of western Europeans. A lot of westerners think they are the good guys, and think that the good guys can do no wrong.

    [–]Tiwaking 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    jostiniane 3 insightful - 2 fun - 9 hours ago The only good answer

    Why Americans make everything about America?

    it always surprises me that American propaganda media always pushes for war in countries that most Americans wouldnt be able to find on a map

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

    How many nukes will you eat before you start to care?

    [–]RedEyedWarrior 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

    If my country stays out of the conflict there is no danger of nukes affecting Ireland.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    excellent point

    [–]AXXA 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I agree

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      [–]jet199 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      No.

      And he couldn't even manage to be competent.

      [–]TheJoint 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      I am against the war. With all the money he is spending he could have bought a shit load of land in Ukraine and sent the poorest Russians there for future influence and good press since he would be housing the poorest Russians.

      [–][deleted] 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      No

      [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

      This is an engineered, complex situation with no easy answer. Here's where I stand:

      After the USSR was dismantled, there was an agreement that NATO would "not move one inch East" from where it was. It moved East by about 1,000 miles.

      NATO countries can host Western Nuclear weapons aimed at Russia. NATO was formed as an anti-Russian alliance, so that should come as no surprise that hosting nukes and bases with the express purpose of waging war on Russia is part of the deal.

      NATO has been wooing Zelensky, a U.S. puppet to, short of joining NATO, becoming a very NATO friendly state. They're doing the same with Sweden and Finland.

      What are the Russians to do? Let the West fully encircle them with bases and nukes at such a short distance that the West could get first strike? Let's remember OPERATION UNTHINKABLE, the 1945 blueprint for WW3, where the plan called for nuking > 60 USSR cities.

      So is Putin supposed to just "take it like a man" and accept that Russia become a sheet of radioactive glass? This current situation in the Ukraine gave him ZERO options other than a military operation. It is only logical. It is NECESSARY from a Russian perspective. On top of that, the Ukrainian government and military have been bombing the ethnic Russians of Eastern Ukraine for 8 years.

      So OBVIOUSLY Putin was going to intervene. How could he not? Do I "support" it? Let's say it's logical, but we've only looked at one part of the puzzle.

      Another part is the Baalist death cult running the world. They complain that traditional warfare is a "poor way to get rid of useless eaters" (and please Baal). The scamdemic and clot shot? Maybe, maybe not. The "results" seem to underwhelm these raving maniacs. But nukes... Nukes just might do the trick, right?

      So these shitheads are behind the deep state in every developed nation. One of their sub-committees is Klaus Schwab's World Economic Forum, but there are many more. They have hands in all the cookie jars, and fingers on every button.

      So they've obviously orchestrated this situation to come at a time when the USA is undergoing financial, economic, social and monetary collapse. This situation appears aimed at justifying a nuclear attack by Vladimir Putin on the West. As to whether this individual is part of the plan or not, I do not know, and in fact, IT DOES NOT MATTER.

      The West is maneuvering Putin into a corner where his nuclear option is HIS ONLY OPTION. The clouds of bomber drones released from the SpaceX "Starlink" satellites have wrecked huge amounts of Russian military hardware. Ukraine didn't do this. NATO did this.

      So WW3 is effectively ongoing as I write this. NATO has attacked Russia, and not just on Ukrainian soil, there were some such attacks on Russian soil as well.

      Now of course these demonic shitheads controlling most governments absolutely HATE the USA, its constitution and MOST OF ALL its citizen's love of freedom. That is something they simply can't tolerate. So goading Putin, or acting like they are goading him, if he's in on this whole charade, into nuking the West plays perfectly well to the plans of the Baalist lunatics bent on offering billions of human deaths to their god.

      In conclusion, I feel it's only a matter of time before Putin tries to nuke the West. Maybe not much time. He'll launch, and the missiles will reach their destination. Will the nukes detonate? I don't fucking know!

      What is there to approve or disapprove of? I disapprove of the whole demonic plan, obviously. Do I understand Putin's situation as having zero other options? Absolutely. And I'm in the West. I don't really want to get nuked. I mean, I don't mind THAT much personally, but I stand against nuking people on a simple humanist basis. And I especially abhor demons and their plans.

      But I support Russia's right to defend themselves, and the behavior of their troops has been a stellar example of minimized collateral warfare, with them opening humanitarian corridors, feeding and protecting civilians, all the while Zelensky is bombing them, and Azov are shooting civilians for fun. This is a very admirable conduct of warfare, especially given how NATO have made this operation prohibitively expensive for Russia.

      [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I'll read this as a 'yes'. Perhaps I should offer a response:

      This is an engineered, complex situation with no easy answer. Here's where I stand:

      I don't think the question about Putin's approaches is complex.

      After the USSR was dismantled, there was an agreement that NATO would "not move one inch East" from where it was. It moved East by about 1,000 miles.

      Look again - the agreement was that Russia would protext Ukraine - which is now being destroyed by Russia. Ukraine is NOT part of NATO, and there are still no agreements for this. It's moot, and not a reason to invade.

      NATO countries can host Western Nuclear weapons aimed at Russia. NATO was formed as an anti-Russian alliance, so that should come as no surprise that hosting nukes and bases with the express purpose of waging war on Russia is part of the deal.

      Again - LOOK at the agreement - Ukraine disarmamament meant that Russia agreed to defend Ukrain from all attacks, an agreement it BROKE in 2014.

      NATO has been wooing Zelensky, a U.S. puppet to, short of joining NATO, becoming a very NATO friendly state. They're doing the same with Sweden and Finland.

      Rumors are NOT a reason to murder 1000s of innocent civilians and destoy a country.

      What are the Russians to do? Let the West fully encircle them with bases and nukes at such a short distance that the West could get first strike? Let's remember OPERATION UNTHINKABLE, the 1945 blueprint for WW3, where the plan called for nuking > 60 USSR cities.

      Ukraine is NOT part of NATO or the EU. Russians were NOT provoked. Russians were to do NOTHING. Moreover, there is the nuclear capability by Russia's enemies to completely torch the country several times over, without putting any weapons near the border. Russia doesn't need Ukraine as a buffer.

      So is Putin supposed to just "take it like a man" and accept that Russia become a sheet of radioactive glass? This current situation in the Ukraine gave him ZERO options other than a military operation. It is only logical. It is NECESSARY from a Russian perspective. On top of that, the Ukrainian government and military have been bombing the ethnic Russians of Eastern Ukraine for 8 years.

      Absolutely nothing happened to Putin. That's the problem. There was nothing to "take".

      So OBVIOUSLY Putin was going to intervene. How could he not? Do I "support" it? Let's say it's logical, but we've only looked at one part of the puzzle.

      He could 'not' by not attacking Ukraine.

      Another part is the Baalist death cult running the world. They complain that traditional warfare is a "poor way to get rid of useless eaters" (and please Baal). The scamdemic and clot shot? Maybe, maybe not. The "results" seem to underwhelm these raving maniacs. But nukes... Nukes just might do the trick, right?

      No....

      So these shitheads are behind the deep state in every developed nation. One of their sub-committees is Klaus Schwab's World Economic Forum, but there are many more. They have hands in all the cookie jars, and fingers on every button.

      No.

      So they've obviously orchestrated this situation to come at a time when the USA is undergoing financial, economic, social and monetary collapse. This situation appears aimed at justifying a nuclear attack by Vladimir Putin on the West. As to whether this individual is part of the plan or not, I do not know, and in fact, IT DOES NOT MATTER.

      Nope.

      The West is maneuvering Putin into a corner where his nuclear option is HIS ONLY OPTION. The clouds of bomber drones released from the SpaceX "Starlink" satellites have wrecked huge amounts of Russian military hardware. Ukraine didn't do this. NATO did this.

      Unrelated.

      So WW3 is effectively ongoing as I write this. NATO has attacked Russia, and not just on Ukrainian soil, there were some such attacks on Russian soil as well.

      Nope.

      Now of course these demonic shitheads controlling most governments absolutely HATE the USA, its constitution and MOST OF ALL its citizen's love of freedom. That is something they simply can't tolerate. So goading Putin, or acting like they are goading him, if he's in on this whole charade, into nuking the West plays perfectly well to the plans of the Baalist lunatics bent on offering billions of human deaths to their god.

      Unrelated.

      In conclusion, I feel it's only a matter of time before Putin tries to nuke the West. Maybe not much time. He'll launch, and the missiles will reach their destination. Will the nukes detonate? I don't fucking know!

      Possibly.

      What is there to approve or disapprove of? I disapprove of the whole demonic plan, obviously. Do I understand Putin's situation as having zero other options? Absolutely. And I'm in the West. I don't really want to get nuked. I mean, I don't mind THAT much personally, but I stand against nuking people on a simple humanist basis. And I especially abhor demons and their plans.

      Invading an innocent country is NOT an option. Your saying that it was an option indicates that your answer to the survey is 'yes'.

      But I support Russia's right to defend themselves, and the behavior of their troops has been a stellar example of minimized collateral warfare, with them opening humanitarian corridors, feeding and protecting civilians, all the while Zelensky is bombing them, and Azov are shooting civilians for fun. This is a very admirable conduct of warfare, especially given how NATO have made this operation prohibitively expensive for Russia.

      There was absolutely nothing for Russia to defend themselves against.

      [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 7 fun7 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

      Thank you for demonstrating yet again that you are not worth replying to. Welcome to my ignore list, it's been way too long.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Am I not allowed to disagree?

      [–]jostiniane 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

      Russia is doing the right thing defending its interest next to its borders.

      I don't support NATO terrorist organization acts though.

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Thank you for your response, though you might be aware that countries should never invade neighbor countries, especially unprovoked, and especially not to commit war crimes and to bomb the neighbor to rubble. Would you like your neigbor to take over your home, just because they can, while also murdering you and destroying everything you own? (And NATO is not a terrorist organization.) I'll note your response as a 'yes'.

      [–]yabbit 5 insightful - 7 fun5 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 7 fun -  (2 children)

      I support Putin because he's a manlet incel who czarmazxxed into getting top tier russian pussy

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      thank you for your response

      [–]grassfed 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      And it made socks jealous

      [–]fschmidt 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      Yes

      [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      I don't support any invasion or war, but I also don't support hypocrisy of our western leaders. "It's OK when we do it because democracy" motto.

      As soon as Bashar Al Assad was an enemy of the neck cutters and the west supported the sunni extremists snackbar cult i knew the corruption and the fake "good guy" image the west runs with.

      Leaders will do what is best for the safety and security of their country and citizens. The west has blood on its hands and that's why I won't join the anti-russia rent a mob, we are no better.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      Whereas you are right on all of these points, and Russia has a right to defend itself, but Putin does not have the right to invade and destroy neighbors. Putin's invasion supports the military industrial complexes many times. over. The only way to make sure that Western abuses do not continue is impose tougher sanctions on the BRICs, thereby reducing the motivation for war, in favor of trade and the lifting of sanctions. Russia was not and is not threatened by Ukraine. Russia is run by a gas station mafia. Most Russians don't want the war with Ukraine. I am not sure your response is a definitive 'no', but I will list it as such.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      Ukraine could be used as a proxy by the west NATO/EU againt Russia, its like Russia basically sitting next to a ticking time bomb. I fully understand why Russia made a preemptive strike against a future potential EU/NATO ally. It's just unfortunate only the little people pay the real price.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Yes - though what will result from the invasion will not justify the invasion. There was no serious consideration of Ukraine entering the EU and/or NATO, because of agreements in the 1990s.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I agree with that of course, there's a grey area when it comes to the justification for war be it power for country or self interests. It's obvious Vladimir Putin sees something we all don't, chess peices are being moved now etc, the whole "invasion" seems very reactionary to me.

      That's the vibe I get.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

      (Anyone not saying nay, is counted as a yea.)

      A fine example of lying with statistics. This is why we cannot blindly trust 'experts'.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      Anyone who is not against Putin's war crimes is implicitly in agreement that they can continue. For example, the comment - it's not my problem - is a way of saying that war crimes are acceptable as long as they do not effect 'me', and is thus approval for them to continue. (Perhaps spend more time caring for others, at home and abroad.)

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

      What war crimes? I think you mean to say 'war'.

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Look at the fucking raw videos: https://www.youtube.com/c/BBCNews

      Read the fucking news: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/

      Of all the people on Saidit who support war crimes, I am really pissed off that you also support them. Fucker.

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      If you can't easily present a Putin war crime, maybe it is all western fiction.

      [–]Gaslov 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

      I support the succession of east Ukraine and Russia's defense of the separatists. The only way I would support the invasion of western Ukraine is if I find out they refused to let the region go despite the consequences, which is what I suspect happened. Russia simply cannot afford to enforce peace between the two forever so war was inevitable.

      But I think Russia has made its point and should go home now, in my opinion.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      Do you support the annexation of Donbas to Russia?

      Donbas has been Ukrainian since 1918, and earlier, and responsible for 30% of Ukraine mineral wealth and industry. I think Ukraine should continue to defend its territory.

      [–]Gaslov 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      No I don't agree with annexation. I also don't care that it used to belong to Ukraine, the people there were tired of Ukraine's bullshit so it doesn't belong to them anymore. More people should stand up to their useless governments.

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Yes, they should, but the people of Donbas are Ukrainian, and the majority are certainly not separatists. Russia's continued attempts to influence the region still add up to very little in terms of support by most residents, and you can find surveys like this: https://theconversation.com/most-people-in-separatist-held-areas-of-donbas-prefer-reintegration-with-ukraine-new-survey-124849

      [–]Tiwaking 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

      His actions over the past 20 years? No
      His actions over the past 3 months? Yes

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

      wow

      [–]grassfed 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Base meter too high

      [–]usehername 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Nay

      [–]SoCo 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

      If you think you know what is going on in Ukraine or what Putin's approaches are, then you are simply a sucker for propaganda.

      This is a propaganda war. No one knows what is going on or what Putin's approaches are. We just know the lies that Youtube and the TV is telling us.

      All we know for sure is that Ukraine is the most important strategic military turn-key between the West and East and its control is a desperate need for both the UN/US and CSTO/Russia. Both eagerly have committed great atrocities at gaining ground in this strategic land and will continue to do so.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      Just read the news and watch the raw videos. You have no evidence for what you are parroting, nor does it make any sense. It's mean and stupid. Your support for destroying the lives of inocents is noted.

      Look at the fucking raw videos: https://www.youtube.com/c/BBCNews

      Read the fucking news: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/

      [–]SoCo 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      "We just know the lies that Youtube and the TV is telling us."

      Just read the news and watch the raw videos, asshole.

      You are asserting that refusing to take a polarized side on an issue we cannot know any facts about...is "support for destroying the lives of inocents (sic)."

      This is a shameful and ridiculous stance, that only dirty propagandist demand. The common false dilemma fallacy, used in the most terrible way.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      you're obviously supporting war crimes

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

      /u/beingPoisoned ?

      [–][deleted] 10 insightful - 6 fun10 insightful - 5 fun11 insightful - 6 fun -  (6 children)

      Avoiding targeting civilians as well as feeding them? Yes, I think it is commendable.

      [–][deleted] 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

      You know that's not what's happening.

      [–][deleted] 11 insightful - 6 fun11 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 6 fun -  (4 children)

      Fuck your CIA media you shill bitch

      [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLS3XGZxi7cBX_eteKOism2FNe6b5Uc4yi

      (not CIA)

      [–]portace 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

      BBC is 1984 George Orwell media. Quite possibly the worst media outlet in the history of the world.

      https://www.jstor.org/stable/260672

      https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/books/1295003/1984-bbc-george-orwell-room-101-book-winston-big-brother-torture-cell-propaganda-spt

      https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/002200948902400307?journalCode=jcha

      CIA also works closely with most major media outlets.

      [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Of course there are problems with the BBC, but the problems are unrelated to the raw material in the videos at the link I've provided. Turn the sound off if that helps, but notice information those videos and many others at other sources provide. It's bloody obvious what's happening.

      What is your answer to the survey? Yes?

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        [–]SneakyBishop 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Nay.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

        /u/Canbot ?

        [–]Canbot 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

        No. Invasions are bad, mmmh kay.

        But I think there is a chance that in the big picture it is a good thing as it could be a challenge to the Jewish destruction of the world. But there is no way to see that big of a picture so one can only go by probability and there is most likely a better way.

        With that said I think most people are stupid and believe all the propaganda about Russia such as claims of war crimes, attacks on civilians, etc. That is what thier anti Russia sentiments are based on and not any objection to war itself. I would not put myself in league with them.

        To have a proper discussion on the matter one has to acknowledge the horrid state of the west which is the result of Jewish influence and at the moment Ukraine is beseiched by that influence. If putin succeds in ousting that power and is not himself involved in that agenda then Ukraine is better off.

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        u/socks certainly believes it. Sigh.

        And I agree with you, as usual.

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          [–]StillLessons 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (14 children)

          There are productive conversations, and there are unproductive conversations. The method you have chosen here is the classic cheap journalist technique of "soundbiting" a complex issue. This is not a productive conversation. You will see my opinions in the comments I have made in other threads that were relatively interesting. I stand by what I have written in those comments.

          [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

          Which is a way of saying, 'yes'. In other words, you imply in your comments that you can overlook war crimes, genoocide, murdering thousand s of unarmed people, the displacement of 10 million people, the bombing to rubble of a country, all for no legitimate reason (and no, it was not about 'liberating' Ukraine). Numerous Russians are also against the genocide and destruction. Even if you don't like some of the leadership in Ukraine, nothing justifies the invasion. There isn't any nuance in what Putin and his generals have arranged. This is not 'a complex issue'. It's a survey. Thank you for your response.

          [–]StillLessons 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

          You wonder why people get so pissed off at you, Socks, you have just exemplified your style perfectly. I refuse to answer a simplistically "gotcha" phrased survey, so you simply insert the answer you choose to ascribe to me and go about your day. That is blatantly dishonest communication. It's flagrant. You're literally making shit up. I know what I wrote in my comments, and it's not what you just put in my mouth. That's called lying. Absolute lying. People know what I have said, and they know what you say. I repeat, I will let my comments stand for themselves. Hint: my comments say nothing of what you have just suggested they do. You are remarkable. I suppose the only positive I can take from your comment is that to attack my words with the desperation of manufacturing your own false version of my perspective, you must feel kind of touchy that I might (just might) actually be reaching some people. You can have the last word. I said from the beginning this conversation was a waste of time, and your response proves I was absolutely correct.

          [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

          No need to attack me. It was important that I note that there is a fundamental problem here regarding the claim that a simple yes/no answer is not appropriate. There is absolutely no scenario in which the answer, yes, is appropriate.

          [–]AXXA 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

          There is absolutely no scenario in which the answer, yes, is appropriate.

          And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

          And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

          Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

          If you comment on the tyranny of the 'chosen people', look up: Jesus and the Gentiles

          If you try to justify fascist war crimes, note which side of this argument Jesus is on, and responses to the abuses of every powerful nation in history, and how “blessed are the meek [not the weak], for they will inherit the earth.”

          [–]AXXA 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

          Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

          For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

          Then God will help Ukraine fight the war criminals

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            [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

            Dude you are seriously fucking delirious. THE MEDIA ARE LYING TO YOU JUST LIKE THEY LIED TO YOU ABOUT EVERY OTHER IMPORTANT ISSUE. EVER.

            [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            This argument might work with 12-year-olds - that all major news media is bad - but that's obviously beside the point. Look at the raw videos.

            [–]usehername 2 insightful - 8 fun2 insightful - 7 fun3 insightful - 8 fun -  (2 children)

            Can we please get a response from u/yabbit

            [–]yabbit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

            I can't believe I got left off the list

            [–]Tiwaking 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

            Hi Socks! Hey I didnt get the tag alert because there is a limit of 3 tags per post.
            Do I support Putins approaches in Ukraine?
            Timing - Yes
            Opportunity - Yes
            Actions - No
            Motivations - Yes
            Methods - No
            Total: 3 Yes, 2 No
            Final Answer: Yes

            [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Indeed, the cognitive dissonance answer is yes.

            [–]RedEyedWarrior 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

            Calculated form of based.

            [–]Zahn 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

            Heya cutie, did you call me? What can I do for you? I'm out of fresh flowers but I will go pick some if you need them? <3

            [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

            Do you support genocide?

            Kisses

            [–]Zahn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

            Oh no, Mr.Socks, not playing your juvenile If/Then mousetrap game. The bigger fool is to argue with a fool. I wish there was some more MSM leaning platform, infested with "top of the bell curve" normies like you. Which then inquiring people could go to and wildly disagree with everyone without getting banned/censored. Sort of like the privilege that you are able to exercise here. I would hope it would give you pause to consider the sub-text of the fact that platforms which endorse most of your personal narratives also stifle/delete any debate of those narratives.

            I appreciate the entertainment value that you bring in kicking the hornets nest though, and I suppose that's why M7 keeps you around despite your often predictable, cognitively copy/pasted responses to everything. I mean....why go to reddit when socks brings reddit here? Here's your pretty flower for the day... 🌷͜ (ᵔ ̮ ᵔ)›

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              [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              Thanks for the link. (It's horrifying.)

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