ShalomEveryone is a full of shit enemy of humanity, and I ask for them to be banned for perpetually sealioning, shilling, lying, and dragging down discussions (only the last is ban-worthy by site rules).

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[–]AXXA 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

So in addition to you not seeing their activity, they would also not see your activity? I think this makes sense, I would support this upgrade. I can't really see any downsides.

This is how Reddit does it now and it will end up killing them. It's a horrible idea that enables intellectual cowards. Saidit is about challenging your thinking with different perspectives. It would be an absolute goldmine for shills and trolls. All they would need to do is block everybody that ever dared disagree with their narrative. Then they could spew whatever lies they wished without ever being challenged or corrected. The strength of Saidit is that we CAN disagree. That freedom to be able to disagree exists hardly anyplace else right now. Saidit is already perfect exactly as it is. Please don't give in to the intellectual cowards. Any idea that can't stand up to scrutiny is a worthless intellectual dead-end.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Hm interesting points. But, I don't think people getting blocked are going to intellectually engage in an honest way anyway, that's rather the point of point of the block function isn't it? To remove from sight people you think are not acting in good faith.

If a troll blocked all people who disagreed with them, and then those people couldn't see it, then they're basically quarantining themselves off from the rest of the website, right? So then the trolling isn't as effective because it doesn't have as broad of reach.

I'm more undecided on it now because of your good points, but I think it's still a good idea despite the potential downsides.

[–]AXXA 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

For the sake of argument we could assume a ratio of one active participant to ten inactive non-participant readers. The troll only has to block the one active participant in order to reach the ten readers unchallenged and uncorrected.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, fair point. I'll have to think about it some more I guess.

But IRL a restraining order blocks both parties from seeing each other, or even being within distance of each other, so it does seem weird to allow the bully to watch the person being bullied even after blocking, which is how ours is currently configured.

But I see your point about people abusing it to shut down any dissent in their threads. If only there was a way to differentiate between the two situations...

[–]AXXA 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

The account that made the suggestion has an extensive history of posting numerous topics of relevant discussion and then making completely baseless ad hominem attacks against anybody that tries to discuss it. That account is the only account that I've had to warn at the ad hominem level of the Pyramid simply because of the constant non-stop use of the tactic. I don't trust that account's motivations one bit.

I agree with you that it would be nice to be able to separate warring parties. A lot of times people just aren't willing to let the other side have the last word and the drama just keeps spiraling out of control. And then when an admin is finally forced to warn one side or the other they often assume that the admin is taking sides and adds them into the drama. They just don't understand that the admin is a referee and not a player. I haven't thought of a perfect solution yet but I'll keep thinking about it and let you know my ideas.

[–]AXXA 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It's also intellectually, philosophically, and morally wrong. It would be the equivalent of handing censorship machine guns out at a toddler daycare. Please note that the account that made the suggestion has been identified as a troll by many people including the OP and myself. Please note his use of concern trolling.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think people getting blocked are going to intellectual engage in an honest way anyway

It goes both ways. People block for stupid reasons too.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Saidit is already perfect exactly as it is.

IFIFY:
Saidit would be perfect exactly as it is if you removed the block user altogether - and - released the problems into the wilderness of FreedIt.com.