SaidIt Survey: Ban /u/socks and /u/ActuallyNot or keep them around?

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[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 6 fun10 insightful - 5 fun11 insightful - 6 fun -  (24 children)

No matter how you feel about someone, they could surprise you with some insightful things to say. Disagreements can get out of hand on here, but that all depends on how much emotional work is going into it. That said, no. Both have posted some pain in the ass comments imo, but restrictions on their ability to post because of even escalated disagreements is stupid. We don't want our speech restricted, so why would we impose that on someone else simply because we don't like what they have to say or piss us off with their argument methods?

[–]Node 6 insightful - 7 fun6 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 7 fun -  (23 children)

Socks surprised me one time by pretending to be a legitimate person, and I got sucked into replying to him. Just have him blocked because he's the only troll-shill I get tempted to reply to.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (22 children)

I either get bored, or just give up reason to respond. I'm sorrt of ashamed to admit this, but socks honestly reminds me so much of a friend that I've had for nearly 20 years irl that I can't block him. It's uncanny, down to similar goofy ass jokes and the way that he responds to things.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (19 children)

You are advocating for an inauthentic user to be on this website, stirring shit. And you think Jason is wrong for trying to stop it.

It's not silly or goofy or harmless.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (18 children)

I'm defending the ability for him to speak freely, and for you to do the same. I don't know how authentic socks is. I don't agree with the way that he dismisses information, the politicians he follows, or the covid vaccine opinions he's got. I can also yank up my big girl breetches and fucking ignore it when I choose to, because this is the internet and we're not revolutionaries in it.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (17 children)

If you are ok with these sorts of spam-level users, then ok. Jason and I think it's a waste of time to entertain.

[–]Node 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

I activated my sock-block, because something about the way he words things causes me to really want to reply with corrections. No problems ignoring the other trolls, shills, and puppets, but comments by socks cry out for corrections.

I would be okay with banning him if it didn't cause problems, but it would. Remember the banning drama back in the spring, and how that led to all those problems. m7 is still avoiding the internet (or at least saidit) because of some of the problems all that drama led to.

And where do you stop? ActuallyNot, the shalom guy, skeeters alts, and the list could keep growing.

It is a waste of time to entertain. But I fear there's an endless supply of people willing to feed them.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

m7 is still avoiding the internet (or at least saidit) because of some of the problems all that drama led to.

Do you know this to be true or is this speculation?

And where do you stop?

Stop where the rules stop. Most of the shills, trolls, commies, and Nazis on SaidIt actually abide by the rules, so for better or worse they can stay, but we can keep watch for when they break the rules - and hope the arbitrary judgement and courage of the admins will take action.

and the list could keep growing.

One storm a week is enough. Next week we can start the list. If SaidIt were to grow then we may need it. A.I., the culture war, and tyranny are also on the rise. Maybe it's a pointless witch hunt. We can take care to keep it fair. More later.

[–]Node 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

m7 hasn't framed it that way, to my knowledge. But remember how cranky he was when he banned you, bobbobbybob, and musky?

As for banning rule violators, many of us would be gone already if the rules were strictly followed.

There's also some irony in banning only working with with users who aren't assholes.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

M7 took on the burden and refused to delegate or find any decent solution, topping it all off by abandoning his duties leaving someone incapable in charge with a deep grudge he instilled in them like a time bomb, unbeknownst to me, thus causing even more drama when I got temp-banned again.

"repeatedly dragging discussion in a downward direction"

It's the repetition that's critically key - and arbitrary.

There's also some irony in banning only working with with users who aren't assholes.

Perhaps, LOL, I don't know what that says about me, as I've been banned twice, and officially resurrected twice. Maybe I'm the grey area around the asshole if I'm not one directly - or double sized.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (12 children)

I just don't give them the same level of care. If you don't consider them worthy of entertainment, that's understandable, but why even engage them? It's just going to devolve into getting pissed off and getting nowhere as a result. Proving points to them might work. Maybe. But letting shit get out of hand and calling each other liars or accusing each other of anything at all will probably net you a spike in blood pressure and a lot of time pissed away into the ether.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (11 children)

I understand your arguments, and I think they are stupid. Shills and trolls should be dealt with accordingly.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

Neat. I think your arguments are stupid too. Glad we got that out of the way.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Neato!

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Don't drag down the discussion with comments like this. If you want to "deal" with "shills and trolls (if you can find any), you can 'report' them. Mods will see the reports and decide accordingly. It's really simple.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

I'm not one to cry to u/D3rr. I'll do it for bots or known alts.

I didn't start this thread, you know. I just don't care for pretenders and support getting rid of them.

[–]Node 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

You very much remind me of a friend that I've had here for nearly 20 years saying that.

All of us on saidit are doppelgangers of your real life friends. 😁

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

It starts to feel like that, no shit.