Explain Covid vaccine to me

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[–]StillLessons 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

My (non-technical, very limited) understanding is that the new type of vaccine is largely driven by the fact we are dealing with coronaviruses. Coronaviruses have been around forever as one of the families of virus which cause the common cold. Thus the old joke, "Yeah, and next they're going to try to cure the common cold." The nature of this particular virus (they're not all the same) requires different technical approaches. Thus the mRNA and vector vaccines.

That said, these "vaccines" (a form of genetic therapy) strike me as particularly dangerous, as they are "teaching our cells...to make" a substance which by design is toxic to us so that the immune system will then attack that very substance. This strategy in itself is inherently fraught with significant danger. Teach the body to make something it doesn't naturally make so the body can then attack that thing.

Can someone with more technical knowledge explain to me how this is not in essence creating an auto-immune loop and calling it a "vaccine"?

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Full disclosure I don’t have any credentials, Im just an asshole with an internet connection who’s done some research.

The thing is: what the mRNA and viral vector vaccines are doing is not really that different from what viruses and bacteria do when they infect you. Your cells are protein factories and they manufacture various proteins for ‘orders’ sent from the nucleus in the form of mRNA. Coronavirus and other RNA viruses just trick your cells in to manufacturing new baby viruses by giving them new RNA instructions. Your cell is dumb, it becomes an unwitting collaborator in the infection. DNA viruses and some bacteria also reproduce similarly- that is why viruses and bacteria love your body.

So the mRNA and viral vector vaxes are just doing what the SARS Cov virus is doing except the cells are only creating spike proteins which cant reproduce.

The cells that absorb the vaccine then produce and present the spike protein and your immune system starts to attack those cells and cause an inflammatory reaction. This also happens with the covid infection.

With mild to moderate wild form covid, this immune reaction is largely limited to the respiratory tract or maybe the GI tract. But with the mRNA and viral vector vax, perhaps the most of the immune reaction is directed toward cells like your platelets and the endothelial cells lining your blood vessels. This includes tiny capillaries that feed your brain.

These vaccine packages probably are mostly gone after a few days given the refrigeration storage requirements on them. The reactions to the spike protein seem to abate after about 10 days to 2 weeks if we go on data from the VAERS reporting system. So probably most of the spike protein and vaccine payload are gone by two weeks. Probably. That should be the end of the “clotting” complications.

This does not rule out an autoimmune reaction but that is something else.

Viruses and bacteria tend to mimic the proteins on your cells to elude your immune system. So when the body does finally identify them, it sometimes accidentally builds an antibody that will also attack the normal healthy tissue that was mimicked by the microbe. That is usually what causes diseases like RA, type I diabetes, lupus, hypothyroidism, etc.. It is a case of immune mistaken identity, usually. So any viral or bacterial infection or any vaccine that triggers an immune response could potentially trigger an autoimmune condition that would be life-long in many cases. Some people have a predispostion to this problem due to genetics.

That is my very high level understanding of how the body is processing these new tech vaccines and how an auto-immune syndrome could occur.

[–]roguecanine[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So a vaccine with a weakened virus wouldn't work? What if the mRNA technology has not been out yet? We'd have been forced to use the old vaccines right now.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

China has two traditional inactivated virus covid vaccines and india has one. That is what China is using probably exclusively on its population. They are also selling it to other countries. India is using its own traditional vax partly but has imported some mRNA vaccines from the west.

There is no reason to think a weakened vax type wont “work”. I think the mRNA shit might be faster and cheaper to manufacture. With all the government mandates, these guys are basically printing money.

I investigated to see if what was happening with the mRNA and viral vector vaccines was also happening with the traditional vaccine types in China and India. It seems that to some extent they are. The Epoch Times reported several deaths in Hong Kong to the Sinovac vaccine. There was a famous Bollywood actor who died last month after getting the Indian vaccine. So I think that there is probably some risk associated with the traditional vaccine technologies as well, but perhaps the risks are not all the same.

I would generally tend to think that the more “effective” a vaccine is, the greater the risk of adverse reaction, because its the immune reaction that is killing people, or its side effects anyway. But some of the new tech vaccines might be more dangerous due to the fact that the immune system is attacking the cells that are producing the spike protein, such as your platelets or the lining of your blood vessels.