Scott Ritter explains how the sick Nazis (Banderas, Azov) control Ukraine, with support of the CIA

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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

But weren’t the Ukrainians genociding the ethnic Russians in the eastern parts of Ukraine long before this war started?

[–]YoMamma 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Absolutely not. It's an obvious lie. Civilian-clothed, heavily armed Russian soldiers began entering Donbas in 2014, attacking the airport with heavy artilary and taking over other portions. That's when the invasion began. A few Ukranians defended themselves and many died. There was no proper offensive in those territories by Ukraine. There were some defensive battles with the Russian invaders, but nothing sustained. 99% of actual civilians in Donbas didn't want the invasion, obviously, nor were they heavily armed with the artillery that these civilian-clothed Russian soldiers brought. If not for the invasion last year, which included Kiev and many other areas as targets, the civilian-clothed Russian soldiers could have continued to hold much of Donbas unofficially. Now they're being pushed back to Russia, though very slowly and at great cost to both sides. A substantial portion of Ukraine's economy is supported by the eastern territories. They mustn't lose it to Putin, as they've lost Crimea. Putin and his Nazis should not be allowed to take whatever they want. Appeasement results in a non-stop authoritarian trend of land-grabs, as we've seen throughout history.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I honestly don’t know who to believe?

https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1113402

[–]YoMamma 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

That's a good link. There are many others showing what has happened in Donbas since 2014.

But for the sake of argument, let's say that there was a mistake or a crime committed by Ukrainians during that time period. There's no evidence of this, but let's say a group of Ukrainians accidentally shelled a building that had actual civilians, not Russian civilian soldiers. Let's say the bulding was a target because Russians set up artillary there or nearby. Or perhaps not.

Regardless of this, Putin's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the rapes, turture, kidnapping children, bombing civilians, threatening nuclear disaster, creating an ecological and a humanitarian disaster by bombing a dam, bombing much of eastern Ukraine to rubble, displacing 12 million Ukrainians fleeing the invasion, reducing and stealing the crop yields necessary for feeding millions of people globally, committing numerous war crimes that have been confirmed, destroying power resources that are needed for civilians, taking Crimea, and so much more reveal an invasion that is wrong on every level. There is no excuse for it, by any standard. There is no grey area here. It's one of the best examples in history of the need for Ukrainians to defend themselves and for NATO to help them. No argument works in favor of Putin's invasion. None.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Okay. That dam bombing was the US and Ukraine.

Ukraine was the most corrupt nation in the world.

Crimea is ethnically russian.

I don’t believe the west on this.

[–]YoMamma 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Okay. That dam bombing was the US and Ukraine.

Absolutely false. It is not possible that Ukraine would have done that, not in the least. An incredibly stupid assumption.

Ukraine was the most corrupt nation in the world.

When Russian puppets governed it before 2014. Get your facts straight.

Crimea is ethnically russian.

Also false. Read about it [here](ahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Crimea) and stop spreading lies.

I don’t believe the west on this.

Because you're a genius and most of the rest of the world are idiots? WTF READ about Ukraine, ffs.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Your first response to my argument is “you are stupid”. I am 100% persuaded by your argument. Seeing as how Russia was about to take control of the dam, the US would NEVER bomb it to stop it from falling into their hands. Ukraine, DID NOT, practice an exercise of blowing up the dam just a week prior…

Your second response is another Ad Hominem attack. Suggesting I don’t know what I am talking about, rather than addressing the argument.

Russia did not govern Ukraine, it was democratically elected officials, and there are polls showing there was wide support. This may be NEW INFORMATION to you, but Russia is next to Ukraine, there is a large ethnic Russia population. There are many perks to being friendly with your neighbor. It’s not shocking they voted in a leader that was pro Russia.

This also includes their large nazi population, which is most likely not supportive of the west.

If you link something, make it a link. Like so I can click on it. Let alone being lazy and not just screen shotting or copy and pasting. That’s also a lazy link, embed the link.

Again, another as hominem. This is not reddit, full of mouth breathers and pro censorship. You are going tj get a lot of people who see through stupid comments and remarks. Ad Hominem attacks are going to get you now where.

I mean, after 6 months here, blabbing off a bunch of poor attacks should have been corrected. Especially since you are in the political space.

But you know, I guess I’ll have to help you along.

[–]YoMamma 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Your first response to my argument is “you are stupid”.

Absolutely not. I write: "An incredibly stupid assumption." Are you the assumption? (No.)

Russia was about to take control of the dam

That's beside the point. There is no reasonable argument for Ukraine to cause that much destruction to itself. None. Again, an incredibly stupid assumption.

Your second response is another Ad Hominem attack.

Again, absolutely not. I write: "An incredibly stupid assumption." Are you the assumption? (No.)

Suggesting I don’t know what I am talking about, rather than addressing the argument.

Again - false. Russian puppets governed it before 2014. Get your facts straight.

Russia did not govern Ukraine

Yes they did - again: Russian puppets governed it before 2014. Get your facts straight.

This also includes their large nazi population, which is most likely not supportive of the west.

Absolutely false. An Azov battalian that has a few people who might be neo-Nazis is NOT a large Nazi population. Another incredibly stupid assumption. Look also at the Nazis destroying Ukraine.

Again, another as hominem. This is not reddit, full of mouth breathers and pro censorship. You are going tj get a lot of people who see through stupid comments and remarks. Ad Hominem attacks are going to get you now where.

Again - absolutely not. Again:

Also false. Read about it [here](ahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Crimea) and stop spreading lies.

Because you're a genius and most of the rest of the world are idiots? WTF READ about Ukraine, ffs.

Both of these comments are about your comments, and how wrong they are.

I mean, after 6 months here, blabbing off a bunch of poor attacks should have been corrected. Especially since you are in the political space.

But you know, I guess I’ll have to help you along.

None of that makes sense. (And I've been here 2+ years.) If you don't like arguments, make counter arguments. That's it. Here's an ad hominem: stop acting like a little bitch, taking everything personally, and read about the facts before you spread lies about people who are being systmatically raped, tortured, and slaughtered by Putin's thugs.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Are you paid to be here? I haven’t seen anything like this in a while.

It will take a lot of work for me to start analyzing this, and proving my point. We’re talking about several different things.

Are you a layman? What do you do?

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Congrats on making socks angry

[–]neolib 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That dam bombing was the US and Ukraine.

That's technically impossible - the dam is an enormous amount of concrete, no bomb would damage it enough. The only possible versions are Russia mined it and then started the explosion, or the explosion was accidental (from floating mines or something), or there was no explosion, just structural dam failure because of negligence.