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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Justice, and by extension fairness, is a purely human imaginary notion. There is literally nothing in the entire universe that provides any grounds whatsoever for the belief in such a thing.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

It's not just human. Surely you've seen the tiny monkey that throws the slice of cucumber in a fit because the other little monkey always gets the grape. Fairness is universal, but the Universe is not fair. But without making fairness there is no civility in civilization so we're all just animals. Do we give up the illusion and goal of fairness and just give over to our chaotic animal natures? Or do we use these evolved brains to improve our world and society?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

You can't make the jump from "I want the good stuff the other guy gets" to "fairness".

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I can.

The monkey reacted when it was continual unfairness, not just one time. That's just the starting point.

Go from there to a "primitive" tribe. Everyone has a role to play. In a stereotype grandparents teach and take care of the children, men hunt, women gather, etc. When the men come home empty handed they don't starve. They get a portion as everyone else that contributes does. Fairness. Some may get more for reasons - size, earned it, merit, health, bloodlines and politics, etc.

Step that up to a modern society and we still need some fairness. If the king takes it all while people starve, eventually that society will crumble. They are intentionally doing that now. Despite it all being built by us and previous generations, the current wealth that exists is being claimed by the few, instead of rightfully being all of our inheritance.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Oh I agree we need it as a collective. However, the universe at large does not recognize the existence of this thing called "Fairness".

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Agreed. And this conscious derived "fairness" separates us from the animals, organics, and non organic matter - and the psychopaths in charge. IMO "fairness" is at the root of everything I'm fighting against/for and the most important thing of all.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In my view, fairness is a belief that needs transcending by a higher state so that one can realize that it is not needed at all. It is only needed for collective beings, but risen man is absolutely individualized and as such has no need for such fictitious things. I realize not everybody can achieve this state at the same time, so obviously it's a process.