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[–]d3rr 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

How about the less extreme theory that just the footage of plane vs. building is fake, that they were really hit with missiles or drones? This jives with eye witness testimony. Why must all of the footage be fake? And why include Building 7 in their fake movie, the thing that brought us all here?

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I posted September Clues and sort of believed the TV fakery aspect a few days ago, but now I'm recanting my view slightly. I'm a little unsure in regards to the planes. I know it was either modified passenger jets (drones), remote guided into beacons in the towers, or no planes at all. With Live footage fakery. Either way, with teh low capacity of all four planes, and the many celebrities on those planes that jsut happened to not show up or miss their flights, I think the flights were not the ones claimed in the offical story. I beleive the passengers were mock vicitms like Northwoods.

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    [–]d3rr 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    but they were empty

    As in the footage of the jumpers is fake. I didn't find any compelling evidence that this is true. Now the tip of the plane going through the whole building, that's compelling.

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      [–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      I looked into this some more and I'm over it. The nose out shot's "nose" changes shape and we can see what it is from other angles. Furthermore the timing is wrong for the CGI explanation to make sense, the plane graphic would have had to have been slowed down.

      http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uM9kjowAsdg/U4e-uk7JpNI/AAAAAAAAAHA/mOjyWGy7Gpk/s1600/SlowMo_Nose_Out.gif

      http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1TLL-Pb-tGE/U4e-rEsCTEI/AAAAAAAAAG8/QIkjEtaqrxE/s1600/Nova02.gif

      Not to shit on anyone's parade. If September Clues has anything else compelling I'm all ears.

      [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Yeah he removed the OP as well, back to that dumb gatekeeping behavior, calling me an idiot too while refusing to answer any questions I put forward. I'm 95% convinced he's literally a disinformation agent

      [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      And now he's deleting all his comments from the threads lol... Seems Mr. Gatekeeper can't handle even the slightest criticism of his nonsense theories

      [–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Well I tried to let him down gently but I guess I failed. There seems to be a whole bunch of people into September Clues, I think it's a psyop they jump to crazy conclusions based on hardly anything. /R/conspiracy isn't having it, tons of 0 score posts about it. Maybe he's just a kid, or yeah maybe people are spreading nonsense here on purpose. Seems to be a lot of it lately.

      [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Well, kudos for the effort. I can't tell whether he's just a person who has bought in to this nonsense story and is genuinely irritated at being told it's nonsense, or it's someone spreading disinfo and trying to piss everyone off so they can complain on reddit about them getting 'banned on saidit for speaking the truth' or something like that to malign saidit. Probably the former, but could also be the latter. No way of telling, unfortunately they're often functionally the same imo

      [–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

      So... all the hundreds of thousands of people in NYC who literally saw it happen. How do you explain that? Where did all the giant clouds of heavy dust come from?

      This theory doesn't really make sense.

      Where did the buildings go? There used to be 2 tall buildings, and they went away.

      Explain those questions, or the theory has no legs.

      [–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      I'm starting to think some shills have infiltrated this place.

      [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      It's inevitable, but perhaps it's time we clean things up a bit. As long as the community supports it

      [–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Well, he just deleted his account and all his comments after his nonsense theory got called out... lol

      [–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Also, were the planes grounded before the towers fell? I'd expect so, if there was knowledge of the hijacking, in which case this is evidence against this "CGI TV show" theory.

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        [–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

        So you can't even address these extremely basic points, even after watching the video? I'm not watching it if it's not supported by evidence and I see no reason to believe it is

        [–]Tom_Bombadil 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

        For the sake of argument, let's assume that the footage is fake, or doctored, or whatever; as claimed. This video is trivial.

        The important facts remain unchanged:

        • WTC 1 & 2 buildings were still blown up.
        • Building 7 collapsed.
        • Building 6 robbed and burned.
        • Wtc 1 thru 4 burned.
        • Insurance fraud successful
        • SEC crime evidence destroyed
        • Afganistan invaded million murdered, country plundered, heroin business booming.
        • Israelis danced.
        • Heroic rescuers murdered.
        • Heroic rescuers poisoned, abandoned, forgotten; murdered.
        • Muslims vilified.
        • Military congressional industrial complex joyful.
        • Yinon Plan implemented.
        • Iraq invaded, millions murdered, vaults robbed, country plundered.
        • Libya, Syria, etc. Shattered. Millions displaced and murdered.
        • Europe flooded with refugees.
        • Anthrax murders.
        • Patriot act passed.
        • Whistleblowers murdered.
        • Civil rights trampled.
        • Airport security state ongoing.
        • Domestic spying on going.
        • Would-be heroes (soldiers) made murderers, traumatized, families ruined, abandoned, forgotten, suicide=murdered.
        • *Justice *.

        Captain_Disgrace. This video cannot possiblly reveal anything of any consequence. It is utterly meaningless, and deserves to be ignored.

        [–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

        Also the fact that literally hundreds of thousands of people SAW it in the most populated city in the US. There's so many things wrong with the OP hypothesis, and they're not even bothering to defend the idea, they just say "watch the video"

        [–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        Yep. He's got nothing, cause it's a hoax piece of crap.

        Great submission Captain_Disgrace.
        Do you have any more hoax crap for us to ignore?

        [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        He even removed the OP and changed it to a slander of me. What a guy

        [–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        What do you mean?

        [–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I guess he deleted it, but for a while the OP text was changed to a sentence that maligned me directly and saidit as well.

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          [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          TIL: I'm a joke.

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            [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

            And I'm not going to watch a 90 min video because you're too lazy to understand and convey the key points. If it were so valuable, you'd want to spread the info. As it stands, it looks like you're spreading disinfo that cannot be backed up. This sort of behavior won't be long-tolerated on saidit.

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              [–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Now you're really not debating in good faith. You seriously can't refute a single question and just go straight for insults? I didn't ask for an essay, just an answer.

              [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              3 tall buildings.

              [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              I guess 4 since building 6 collapsed as well. Not to mention the pentagon exploding and all those people dying that were set to testify about the missing $2.7 trillion announce the day before 9/11. OP seems to be just posting disinformation, and they can't even argue their point.

              [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Well the building exterior was left standing. A hole was melted out of the middle, and the centre structure collapsed into it. We can agree that it was intentionally wrecked.

              [–]MartinTimothy 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

              The Holocaust was an inside job Adolf Hitler and all of the top Nazis were Jews, Jews infiltrated German politics then perped the Holocaust in the name of the German ppl, like they infiltrated US politics perped 911 then established the bogus War on Terror, like they infiltrated Turkish politics then perpetrated the Armenian Genocide.

              Jews should be prepared for the retribution demanded by their guilt for the outrageous attacks of 911, no less than for the illegal War on Terror they are waging in the name of the United States, while the sheer volume of Jews destined for trial and execution portends the first mass gassing of Jews since 1945.

              There were no hijackers, the planes that struck the WTC Towers were piloted by remote control using hardware developed by Rabbi Dov Zakheim, who with Zionists Jerome Hauer and Michael Chertoff engineered the whole project.

              Bush & Cheney were patsies, the 911 attacks were carried out by Jews who have infiltrated the US social and political order at every level, along with traitors in the CIA and in the halls of Government.

              The under 3000 dead line is one of the mainstay falsehoods of the entire conspiracy, estimates of 50,000 dead in New York were made at 2:48 PM on the afternoon of the same day.

              NIST Engineer Dr Shyam Sunder said, "on 911 there were between 8,500 & 9,000 occupants in each building," ABC News Anchor Peter Jennings while the drama was still unfolding said, "the normal total of workers at the WTC Towers was around eighty thousand."

              Sunder's total of between seventeen and eighteen thousand in the Towers, makes some sixty two thousand or so absent using Peter Jennings' figures.

              Evidence of Mossad Treachery at the WTC, by Ed Toner .. "nearly 500 foreign nationals from over 80 different nations were killed in the World Trade Center, as a center of world trade and finance this is not surprising.

              It is known many Israelis work in the field of international trade and finance, the laws of probability dictate there should have been a considerable number of Israelis dead.

              Alon Pinkas Israel’s Consul General in New York confirmed one Israeli dead in each of the planes that crashed into the towers, and another who had been at the WTC on business.

              Lt Richard Smiouskas FDNY, 27 November 2001 .. "after the North Tower air strike an engineer got me onto the roof of WTC 2 the South Tower, I saw people in the windows [of the North Tower] they weren't jumping they were being forced out."

              The NYPD refused to attempt helicopter rescues for those trapped in the burning towers, while the official death toll of some under three thousand is to fit the four hundred dead Jews whose names appear on the official list.

              Who were the ones who stayed and threw others from windows according to Smiouskas' testimony, who were sold out when NYPD choppers never showed up .. the FDNY identified "about 1500 jumpers."

              The shots of the Pentagon taken after impact and before the facade collapsed showed a hole about the size of a suburban garage, no sign of a plane at all..

              And no plane in Pennsylvania despite assertions the Happy Schmooligans blasted Flight 93 out of the sky, plenty of paper littering the landscape and burn marks in the trees but no plane.

              We talked to people who were with Larry Silverstein on 9/11, he got a phone call telling him not to show up at work, he called his daughter and she never showed up either. Rudkowski, Prison Planet.

               Hey there Honey get rid of them blues
               Daddy’s getting money you’ll be wearin’ new shoes
               Turn on the telly it’ll be on the news
               Stay at home today like the rest of the Jews
              
               Cause today were gonna blow… Woo Woo /
               Down the freakin buildings go Woo Woo /
               We collect the dough Woo Woo /
               Stay at home and watch the show… Woo Woo Woo Woodledoodledoo Rip it up Frank
              
               Hey Man you say that four thou were away
               That’s a lotta bodies at the end of the day
               This is the way I see it don’t wanna be crass
               There’s a whole lotta Jews thatta gotta get put on trial ///
              

              The American Securities and Exchange Commission says Israeli citizens sold short a list of stocks, that could reasonably be expected to fall in value as a result of the attacks.

              Operated out of stock exchanges in Canada and Germany their profits were in the hundred$ of million$ of dollars.

              It was via the buddy system on Odigo software which allows one to communicate to a large group of people that share a trait such as the Hebrew language, that thousands of Israelis were warned not to go to the twin towers on 9/11. Christopher Bollyn.

              Odigo and Mossad are based in Herzliya north of Tel Aviv, after 9/11 Odigo was taken over by Comverse Technology another Israeli company, within a year five executives from Comverse were reported to have profited by more than $267 million from “Insider Trading.”

              Then we need to take a look at the "Celebrating Jews of 911" Yaron Shmuel and Sivan & Paul Kurzberg, who were arrested in New York on 911 filming the attack in their words to "document the event," all of whom were residents of Brisbane Australia.

              I intend to jump about in glee as they, the entire Mossad cell in Brisbane that spawned them and the Australian political hierarchy that grants them free passage, are brought to just trial and legal execution under the same US Laws were breached on the day!

              [–]wizzwizz4 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

              It's interesting how you posted a very clickbaity post saying "I know the real secret hidden truth, PM me to find out what it is", and then sent a link to this in the PM, and then deleted the clickbaity post.

              Because that suggests that you were trying to – correct me if I'm wrong here – artificially inflate the votes-to-criticism ratio. Maybe it's my paranoia talking.

              It was just my paranoia talking.

              [–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

              Oh that's the same guy? haha. Oh man. I hope he responds to the questions I put forward because there are some super-obvious humongous holes in this story.

              [–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              Good to see you're not snooping around in the unreported PMs! (I know I probably would if I didn't have rules saying "don't do that".)

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                [–]happysmash27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                I'm in mobile, so it would take ages for the video to download.

                [–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                You watch it.

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                  [–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                  Oh, that makes sense.

                  [–]Captain_Amazing 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                  Ya fuck that idiot

                  [–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  /u/Captain_Amazing, why are you saying that about yourself?

                  [–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  And yet you still answered no questions put forward... you're on super thin ice

                  [–]useless_aether 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

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                    [–]useless_aether 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                    the first rule of any conspiracy theorist should be to question everything, so i don't have a problem with this docu.

                    i still think people died that day, firefighters and first responders are still dying of cancer to this very day from the dust ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uKqWeZ4LEs ) and what tom bombadil wrote in his bullet-points is all also true.. so no, dubya is not a good guy, never will be. but the msm manipulation (a technique called video overlay with masking layers) seems obvious. many if not all 911 victim families received money and signed ndas iirc, so, sadly, we wont hear the truth from them..

                    i think the towers were rigged with explosives and i assume most truthers think the same, noone believes in the pancake theory or in judy woods directed energy weapons. so whether they used real planes, missiles or cgi is irrelevant. jet fuel cant melt steel anyway... thermite and nanothermite did the job irl (found in the dust).

                    and there was def no plane at the pentagon or at the "flight 93 crash site"! so yeah, no planes, rather missiles, or following the kiss principle, just explosives and cgi is likely in my mind.

                    https://www.brighteon.com/5835212290001

                    https://www.brighteon.com/5837174029001

                    https://www.brighteon.com/5985985232001

                    https://www.brighteon.com/5814758672001 <-- nazi templars (while at the same time david rockefeller was a fabian socialist)

                    edit: additionaly i think the reason no jets were scrambled is exactly because the fighter pilots would then see there are no passenger jets. they were not in on it...

                    [–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                    Also the 9/11 wargames that confused the military and air traffic controls.

                    9/11 War Games

                    [–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                    some faked transponders on some of those wargame planes perhaps?

                    [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                    Planned war game exercises that were overlayed on the real air traffic control creating confusion, about what was real, and what was a drill.

                    [–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                    yes, simple as that. for any successful magic trick you need a distraction to draw attention away from whatever you are really doing.