Do you think these TIFs and TIMs "pass"?

HOWABOUTNO · 2021-10-18T00:43:31+00:00

You realize that you are advocating for albeistic fascism?

The only kind of "ableism" I have no issue with

Spend hundreds of millions of dollars to test billion people to find a dozen "wrong" people and put them in prisons? This sounds very unreasonable, insane and vindicative.

Anything to know whether or not someone has a DSD

HOWABOUTNO · 2021-10-18T00:16:26+00:00

And anyways, in other your answers (including ones to me) you shown complete ignorance and no knowledge about situation, yet insisted on calling those people with slurs and asking to imprison or kill them alltogether, even thought they are an extremely minority among people, who you would never even know about their condition if they will not say it to you, with just few cases per tens of millions of people. Yet, you hate them for some reason and speak only about them, instead of focusing on the real argumen of "manly looking men declaring to be women".

I hate CAIS because they are males, and people like you are ready to push the lie that disordered men are women, just because they "pass as" women on the outside and noone would know if they didn't reveal their maleness.

It is not a discussion sub. I'll stop responding to you from now on.

Please, by all means, stop wasting my time.

HOWABOUTNO · 2021-10-18T00:12:56+00:00

Ovotesticular DSD and PMDS, for example.

Which is why people with Ovotesticular DSDs and PMDS are hermaphrodites. They have the gonads of both sexes.

https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/ovotesticular-disorder-of-sex-development/

Ovotesticular disorder of sex development (ovotesticular DSD) is a very rare disorder in which an infant is born with the internal reproductive organs (gonads) of both sexes (female ovaries and male testes).

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Not sex organs, but both gonads, both working gonades.

Hermaphrodite is an organism that can both father a child and give a childbirth.

No. Just as females with disorders can not "give childbirth" and males with disorders can not "father children", but they are still female and male respectively, a hermaphrodite whose both organs are not functional is a hermaphrodite, albeit a disordered hermaphrodite.

And why are you want to call slurs an extremely small minority of people that almost no one ever will even meet? I don't understand your hatred. All you write on this site is how you hate vaccines and how you hate people with CAIS (also, there are XX females with CAIS too, who have cervixes and can give birth).

I was talking about XY CAIS.

And again, how on earth do you know they are a small minority one does not meet if doctors don't run tests on the majority of the population to make sure they have DSDs or not? You can't see inside bodies with eyes. There should be tests.

In most cases they are functional or they are absent completely

In all cases, they have the testes. And even if they were absent, which I never read anywhere, and you're pulling out of nowhere, it would mean they have no ovaries, uterus, testes, etc. They still wouldn't be female. They would have no sex.

HOWABOUTNO · 2021-10-17T23:44:47+00:00

Say the anti-science individuals.

You're the ones who claim CAIS are women eventhough they have testes, and no female sex organs on the inside, no uterus, no ovaries, nothing, just because they "identify" as women or "pass as" women on the outside. You sound like TRAs.

Reality is not an agenda.

Your claims are agendas because they are not based on reality.

how are you getting 5-6 upvotes in first few seconds after posting a post?

How are you getting an upvote 10 minutes after posting your comment?

HOWABOUTNO · 2021-10-17T23:42:08+00:00

There are DSD conditions where males have ovaries, yet they can father a child, but not childbirth. You are very confused.

What kind of DSDs? Care to name this DSD in which a male has ovaries AND testes? Hmm?

Also, many other women would not have periods or would be infertile - who do not have DSD conditions. Why are you combining "intersex" conditions with infertile women and justifying one by another? I only saw such tactics from TRA so far.

Infertile women have ovaries, and no testes. If they meet with a doctor, a few tests, and boom, they learn they are infertile.

CAIS are not infertile. They have no female sex organ on the inside at all.

I have a strong feeling that you are a male or pretty rich/privileged female, as you seems to have no idea about female anatomy and female problems with healthcare treatment we are receiving.

Sweatie, I'm a woman in the middle of a "third world country", and the people here are still not mentally challenged enough to let someone be if they can not start their periods.

But it will be untrue and will not work for healthcare at all. This word describes completely different thing. Why you want to lie, when above you said you are doing this because "you don't want to lie"? You are contradicting yourself.

Hermaphrodite means an organism has both male and female sex organs.

CAIS have dysfunctional testes, aka male sex organ, and "vaginal" opening and labia, that's it.

CAIS are male. I called them hermaphrodite because you lie they are women when they aren't. If you're going to claim they are women, I'm going to call them at worst a hermaphrodite, a disordered hermaphrodite, with dysfunctional sex organs of both sexes.

HOWABOUTNO · 2021-10-17T21:58:16+00:00

CAIS is just one of them, most people with CAIS do not know they have it until very late in life, as they look completely like females (they have vulvas and breasts, female skeletal structure) and have similar health complications, excluding ones connected with reproductive system.

CAIS are disordered males that "pass as" women on the outside. Although they "pass as" women on the outside, they have no female sex organs on the inside. They have no uteruses, ovaries, etc. They have testes, which means their body was supposed to support sperm, and it failed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_androgen_insensitivity_syndrome#Physical

The gonads [in CAIS] are not ovaries, but instead, are testes; during the embryonic stage of development, testes form in an androgen-independent process that occurs due to the influence of the SRY gene on the Y chromosome.

Immature sperm cells in the testes do not mature past an early stage, as sensitivity to androgens is required in order for spermatogenesis to complete

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome/symptoms/

CAIS do not have a womb or ovaries

CAIS would know they are not women at puberty. Women get periods. CAIS can not get periods because they have no female sex organ.

Just because their disordered male bodies make people think they are women, doesn't make them women. A woman is not boobies and "passing as" a woman.

Stop with the TRA nonsense.

That's pretty dictatorship and 100% like TRA are wanting society to be.

You: "imprisonment = eww because TRAs want society to be that way".

Give me a break.

like TRA are wanting society to be.

Looks like TRAS got one thing right: imprisonment. They sadly failed, and instead of throwing in prison the people that claim CAIS are women, when they aren't, they throw in prison the people that stand up for the truth.

No matter how "invasive" the tests may be, it's best to run them on everyone to make sure they have no DSDs. If they happen to have DSDs, depending on each case, they will be taught what their sex is.

And if they are too disordered, like CAIS, they will be gotten rid of.

HOWABOUTNO · 2021-10-17T21:48:16+00:00

I see no reason why anyone should be attacking people with complex medical condition for no reason at all, instead of helping them to bear with it. They are extremely rare condition, there can be just 1-2 of them in whole European country. Other AIS are much more common, but they aren't ambigious at all.

You don't know the number of DSD cases and can not claim they are rare when noone bothers with running DNA tests, MRI, etc on the majority of the population.

Not always. Plus those testes are inner and not visible, thought. They are finding out about them only at around age of 14-16, when diagnosed with amenorrhea in more advanced countries and at age of around 25-30, when they already married and trying to find out why they are infertile. In less advanced countries they never diagnosed and never know that they have DSD condition.

Their condition is not researched too deeply, as their body is developed like it couldo support ova and it is not supporting sperm (at least in most cases, unlike other AIS conditions, where they are clearly male). Their inner organs are places on a way that female people have. It is never researched about other difference between males and females, on which side they are. Also, they were never tested if they will support ova or sperm. So we can't say for sure if they are male or female until this will be tested.

If their condition is not studied deeply, you can not claim that they are women, or that their body is developed to support ova. You don't know anything would be the conclusion.

I believe their condition is studied enough. "Not always" is nonsense. They have no ovaries, therefore their bodies are not developed to support ova.

They have testes on the inside, yes. Just because they aren't visible to the eyes doesn't mean they are not men. Are you going to claim you're not human because your genes are not visible to the eyes? You sound like TRAs. "Omg genitals are not visible to the eyes. They're under clothes. How can they determine sex11".

In less advanced countries they never diagnosed and never know that they have DSD condition

All CAIS would know they are not women at some point. They have no ovaries, uteruses, etc. They have testes.

Their bodies are developed to support sperm, not ova. It was supposed to support sperm, and it failed.

CAIS can not get periods. Once they hit puberty, they will be aware of their maleness. Unless you claim they are so mentally challenged they don't know women get periods, and they don't.

There are no human hermaphrodites and can't exist. Also it will be a slur.

It's easier to call CAIS hermaphrodite than whatever nonsense you spout about their bodies supporting ova eventhough they have no female sex organ on the inside.

Words aren't innately "offensive". Don't care if DSD individuals are offended by "hermaphrodite". It's a perfect description. CAIS are disordered hermaphrodites.

HOWABOUTNO · 2021-10-17T21:40:41+00:00

Not everyone has access to DNA tests, ultra sound, MRI, or w/e for their kids, and mandating it is authoritarian bullcrap that would be useless and unnecessary for 99.99% of all people. So no, that's completely ridiculous.

Which is why the access to DNA tests, ultra sound, MRI, etc should be free (say hello to free "health care", or whatever it is you want to call it)

And how on earth do you know 99.99% of the population don't have DSDs when noone bothers with DNA tests, ulta sound, MRI, etc on the 99.99% of the population?

I'm fine with authoritarianism if it means I don't have to hear a disordered male claim he's a woman, or a disordered female claim she's a man

Admit you're a lunatic fixated on a tiny fraction of people with a medical condition.

Or admit you're the lunatic who calls disordered men "woman" to push some agenda

HOWABOUTNO · 2021-10-17T03:12:27+00:00

I don't care about what's "offensive" and what they and their doctors think they are. Most doctors in the west are too brainwashed by the "gender identity" agenda to be trusted. And the doctors in non-western countries are too conservative they think a woman is "fulfilling certain roles" or "looking a certain way". Can't be trusted.

The reason people mistake CAIS for women is because they "pass as" women on the outside. They are disordered men that "pass". Their disordered male bodies make people think they are women. Doesn't mean they are women.

DSD is a disorder like any other disorder. People with disorders that affect their other organs aren't less human even if they "identify" as other species.

CAIS aren't less of a man even if they "identify" as a woman.

No one encountering most CAIS individuals would mistake them for men

It's not "mistaking them for men". CAIS are men. Can't be mistaken for what they are. They are mistaken for women.

CAIS individuals are men, many of whom might not be aware of it, because society is too stupid to run DNA tests on kids and teenagers and see if they have DSD conditions, and if they do, to let them know what their sex is.

DNA tests, ultra sound, MRI, whatever device is used to see inside the body, should be mandatory for kids and teenagers. That way, CAIS wouldn't be like "omg I didn't know I'm a man". And they don't get to hide that information. They don't get to make people think they are women when all they are is disordered men.

CAIS would be aware of their maleness at some point, because they have no uterus, ovaries, etc. They can not get periods. They would learn they are not women. There is no excuse. They hide their maleness, that's what they do. They are liars, like "trans women" are.

Admit you're defending "gender identity" agenda in a gender critical sub using a bunch of "disorders".

HOWABOUTNO · 2021-10-16T23:41:10+00:00

Sex is about a biological determination based on many factors, factors that do not involve "identifying" as female, or "being raised as female".

CAIS are male. They have testes. And no ovaries. Just because they "pass as" women on the outside doesn't make them women.

I'm obsessed with them because I'm done with people like you calling disordered men "women" or "female".

Disordered men are not women. They will never be women. They are disordered men.

They are "unique cases"? Either consider the non-disordered men that "pass as" women on the outside after all their surgeries women (and while you're at it, consider all humans that are born with a disorder that affects their legs, hearts, etc, non-human or some other specie, especially if they "identify" as another specie, because apparently all it takes for "gender identity" to be "valid" is a disorder), or take a few steps back and realize you're arbitrarily making DSDs an exception when they aren't. All DSDs are either male or female. And the sex has nothing to do with what one "identifies" as, how one is raised, and what society claims one is.

HOWABOUTNO · 2021-10-16T21:41:55+00:00

which biologists and many/most "GC" feminists including me have no problem with.

Just because biologists and most GCs believe something doesn't make it true (argumentum ad populum fallacy)

CAIS are male. Biologists should know that. Once they claim "they are women socially", they have left their area of expertise and entered the area of feelings.

Most biologists in the west are brainwashed by the "gender identity" agenda and can't be taken seriously.

Most biologists in non-western countries are conservative and believe a woman is "looking a certain way on the outside" and "fulfilling certain roles". They can't be taken seriously.

Society is trash.

HOWABOUTNO · 2021-10-16T21:00:47+00:00

Nobody here has said that persons with CAIS should be regarded as boys or men, or that they shouldn't use female spaces. On the contrary, everyone has said that phenotypically and socially, persons with CAIS are girls and women.

I disagree. I'm not nice and don't care about what anyone "identifies" as, or what anyone has spent years being raised as.

CAIS have testes. They are male. And they should be treated as such.

They can not enter female spaces. There can be compromise to make a third space for CAIS, so they can feel comfortable around each other. Other than that, there is no compromise.

I value truth more than people's feelings. It upsets CAIS to be treated as male? Maybe. Doesn't matter to me.

If I were in control of this society, noone would be able to treat CAIS as female. CAIS would have a third space for themselves, and that's it.

Everyone from an early age would be tested (DNA test, devices that are used to see the internal organs, etc) to make sure they have no DSDs. If they have DSDs, they would be treated as the sex they are, with the DSD considered.

Even if the tests may be "invasive", I value truth more than anything else. It's better to know if someone has DSDs early, than to wait years for them to grow up and learn "oop guys I'm not the sex you claimed I am"

HOWABOUTNO · 2021-10-16T20:51:34+00:00

They don't have penises. They have testes (male gonads).

They should be considered as the sex they are, yes, which is male. Even if they were "raised as female", they are male.

Sex isn't about what one is raised as.

HOWABOUTNO · 2021-10-16T14:25:29+00:00

"Intersex" people should be gotten rid of. I'd rather be so-called "intersexphobic" than walk on eggshells around a bunch of disorders.

CAIS are males and should have a separate "disordered male" space for themselves if they are not comfortable in male spaces. They don't get to be claimed to be female, socially or whatever, because they are not female and have no place in female spaces.

If you're CAIS, and claim to be female, you are deceiving yourself and everyone else.

If I controlled society, noone would be able to claim CAIS are female. To claim that would result in imprisonment. Thou shalt not deceive in the name of disorders. Everyone from an early age would be under experiments to make sure they have no DSDs. If they have DSDs, say CAIS, they would be treated as the sex they are, not the sex they and those around them falsely think they are.

The experiments are necessary, no matter how so-called "invasive" they may be. Anything to figure the truth out.

HOWABOUTNO · 2021-10-16T14:19:15+00:00

CAIS are male and should be treated as male. I don't care if they have boobies and "pass as" women on the outside. CAIS have no uterus, no ovaries - no internal female sex organ. They are not female on the inside.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_androgen_insensitivity_syndrome#Physical

The gonads [in CAIS] are not ovaries, but instead, are testes; during the embryonic stage of development, testes form in an androgen-independent process that occurs due to the influence of the SRY gene on the Y chromosome.

Immature sperm cells in the testes do not mature past an early stage, as sensitivity to androgens is required in order for spermatogenesis to complete

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome/symptoms/

CAIS do not have a womb or ovaries

They have testes, and even if their testes don't produce sperm, dysfunctional testes don't make a male less of a male.

Their nonexistent ovaries make them female but their existing testes don't make them male just because they don't produce sperm? Lmfao. Who do you think you're foolin'?

CAIS should be treated as male at best, a hermaphrodite at worst. They have both testes and some dysfunctional external female genitals, so hermaphrodite.

They would be both male and female at worst. Case closed.

HOWABOUTNO · 2021-10-16T02:32:11+00:00

I have read CAIS individuals do not have ovaries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_androgen_insensitivity_syndrome#Physical

The gonads in these women are not ovaries, but instead, are testes; during the embryonic stage of development, testes form in an androgen-independent process that occurs due to the influence of the SRY gene on the Y chromosome.

Immature sperm cells in the testes do not mature past an early stage, as sensitivity to androgens is required in order for spermatogenesis to complete

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome/symptoms/

Girls with CAIS do not have a womb or ovaries

If CAIS individuals do not have ovaries, and have testes or penises instead, as said above, they are not girls, women, or female. They are boys, men or male.

They happen to "pass as" women on the outside. But they are not female.

HOWABOUTNO · 2021-10-16T02:29:41+00:00

Quoting myself in the post:

I have read CAIS individuals do not have ovaries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_androgen_insensitivity_syndrome#Physical

The gonads in these women are not ovaries, but instead, are testes; during the embryonic stage of development, testes form in an androgen-independent process that occurs due to the influence of the SRY gene on the Y chromosome.

Immature sperm cells in the testes do not mature past an early stage, as sensitivity to androgens is required in order for spermatogenesis to complete

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome/symptoms/

Girls with CAIS do not have a womb or ovaries

If CAIS individuals do not have ovaries, and have testes or penises instead, as said above, they are not girls, women, or female. They are boys, men or male.

They happen to "pass as" women on the outside. But they are not female.

And I think there is a condition where someone with male genitals has uterus. It's called Persistent Müllerian duct syndrome: https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/persistent-mullerian-duct-syndrome/#:~:text=Persistent%20M%C3%BCllerian%20duct%20syndrome%20is,which%20are%20female%20reproductive%20organs%20.

Persistent Müllerian duct syndrome is a disorder of sexual development that affects males. Males with this disorder have normal male reproductive organs , though they also have a uterus and fallopian tubes, which are female reproductive organs

HOWABOUTNO · 2021-10-16T02:14:37+00:00

I can't stand vaccines

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