Do individuals with CAIS have female sex organs? Or do they have male sex organs?

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[–]lefterfield 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

They are genetically male. They can still be considered women, even if their experiences will not be identical to those who are female. Sex is about biological determination based on many factors. CAIS individuals are unique cases. So, why, exactly, are you so obsessed with them?

[–]HOWABOUTNO 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (8 children)

Sex is about a biological determination based on many factors, factors that do not involve "identifying" as female, or "being raised as female".

CAIS are male. They have testes. And no ovaries. Just because they "pass as" women on the outside doesn't make them women.

I'm obsessed with them because I'm done with people like you calling disordered men "women" or "female".

Disordered men are not women. They will never be women. They are disordered men.

They are "unique cases"? Either consider the non-disordered men that "pass as" women on the outside after all their surgeries women (and while you're at it, consider all humans that are born with a disorder that affects their legs, hearts, etc, non-human or some other specie, especially if they "identify" as another specie, because apparently all it takes for "gender identity" to be "valid" is a disorder), or take a few steps back and realize you're arbitrarily making DSDs an exception when they aren't. All DSDs are either male or female. And the sex has nothing to do with what one "identifies" as, how one is raised, and what society claims one is.

[–]lefterfield 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

No one encountering most CAIS individuals would mistake them for men. Many of them may not even be aware of their condition until puberty, or later. It is an irrelevant point to keep harping on and to keep comparing to other nonsense like "identifying as other species" - that is incredibly offensive. These people have a genetic defect, they are not insane. And DSDs are not an "arbitrary" exception. They are usually identified as females at birth. I don't give a fuck what they "identify" as, their doctor can make the determination better than you or the voices in anyone's head.

They are genetically male. Admit that you're making insane, offensive comparisons because you have no legitimate argument or nuanced understanding of DSDs, or shut up and go away.

[–]HOWABOUTNO 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (6 children)

I don't care about what's "offensive" and what they and their doctors think they are. Most doctors in the west are too brainwashed by the "gender identity" agenda to be trusted. And the doctors in non-western countries are too conservative they think a woman is "fulfilling certain roles" or "looking a certain way". Can't be trusted.

The reason people mistake CAIS for women is because they "pass as" women on the outside. They are disordered men that "pass". Their disordered male bodies make people think they are women. Doesn't mean they are women.

DSD is a disorder like any other disorder. People with disorders that affect their other organs aren't less human even if they "identify" as other species.

CAIS aren't less of a man even if they "identify" as a woman.

No one encountering most CAIS individuals would mistake them for men

It's not "mistaking them for men". CAIS are men. Can't be mistaken for what they are. They are mistaken for women.

CAIS individuals are men, many of whom might not be aware of it, because society is too stupid to run DNA tests on kids and teenagers and see if they have DSD conditions, and if they do, to let them know what their sex is.

DNA tests, ultra sound, MRI, whatever device is used to see inside the body, should be mandatory for kids and teenagers. That way, CAIS wouldn't be like "omg I didn't know I'm a man". And they don't get to hide that information. They don't get to make people think they are women when all they are is disordered men.

CAIS would be aware of their maleness at some point, because they have no uterus, ovaries, etc. They can not get periods. They would learn they are not women. There is no excuse. They hide their maleness, that's what they do. They are liars, like "trans women" are.

Admit you're defending "gender identity" agenda in a gender critical sub using a bunch of "disorders".

[–]lefterfield 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You are obsessed with this well beyond what is normal and healthy. These people have nothing to do with transgenderism, and you're using them as a tool the same way the trans cult does. Not everyone has access to DNA tests, ultra sound, MRI, or w/e for their kids, and mandating it is authoritarian bullcrap that would be useless and unnecessary for 99.99% of all people. So no, that's completely ridiculous.

Admit you're defending "gender identity" agenda in a gender critical sub using a bunch of "disorders".

"A bunch of". Nope, just one, sweetheart. CAIS. Not DSD. Not every possible disorder of sexual development anyone could have. Not transgenderism. Not gender identity. Nor have I defended the need for ANY person with a DSD to play women's sports. Admit you're a lunatic fixated on a tiny fraction of people with a medical condition.

[–]HOWABOUTNO 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

Not everyone has access to DNA tests, ultra sound, MRI, or w/e for their kids, and mandating it is authoritarian bullcrap that would be useless and unnecessary for 99.99% of all people. So no, that's completely ridiculous.

Which is why the access to DNA tests, ultra sound, MRI, etc should be free (say hello to free "health care", or whatever it is you want to call it)

And how on earth do you know 99.99% of the population don't have DSDs when noone bothers with DNA tests, ulta sound, MRI, etc on the 99.99% of the population?

I'm fine with authoritarianism if it means I don't have to hear a disordered male claim he's a woman, or a disordered female claim she's a man

Admit you're a lunatic fixated on a tiny fraction of people with a medical condition.

Or admit you're the lunatic who calls disordered men "woman" to push some agenda

[–]VioletRemi 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think this all should go to debate sub, and stopped here.

Almost of all DSD conditions have serious health issues tied with them, except few.

I'm fine with authoritarianism

It was already clear from your usage of TRA methods and being anti-science.

agenda

Reality is not an agenda. Being strongly anti-reality from "other side" is not countering anti-reality from TRA. It complementing them and proves their ideas.

Also, how are you getting 5-6 upvotes in first few seconds after posting a post?

[–]HOWABOUTNO 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

Say the anti-science individuals.

You're the ones who claim CAIS are women eventhough they have testes, and no female sex organs on the inside, no uterus, no ovaries, nothing, just because they "identify" as women or "pass as" women on the outside. You sound like TRAs.

Reality is not an agenda.

Your claims are agendas because they are not based on reality.

how are you getting 5-6 upvotes in first few seconds after posting a post?

How are you getting an upvote 10 minutes after posting your comment?

[–]VioletRemi 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

10 minutes is not 2 seconds.

just because they "identify" as women or "pass as" women on the outside.

They don't identify as women. In most cases they do not even know that they have such condition. And you will never know - unless they say it to you.

Why everything is an agenda to you?

And anyways, in other your answers (including ones to me) you shown complete ignorance and no knowledge about situation, yet insisted on calling those people with slurs and asking to imprison or kill them alltogether, even thought they are an extremely minority among people, who you would never even know about their condition if they will not say it to you, with just few cases per tens of millions of people. Yet, you hate them for some reason and speak only about them, instead of focusing on the real argumen of "manly looking men declaring to be women".

It is not a discussion sub. I'll stop responding to you from now on.

[–]HOWABOUTNO 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

And anyways, in other your answers (including ones to me) you shown complete ignorance and no knowledge about situation, yet insisted on calling those people with slurs and asking to imprison or kill them alltogether, even thought they are an extremely minority among people, who you would never even know about their condition if they will not say it to you, with just few cases per tens of millions of people. Yet, you hate them for some reason and speak only about them, instead of focusing on the real argumen of "manly looking men declaring to be women".

I hate CAIS because they are males, and people like you are ready to push the lie that disordered men are women, just because they "pass as" women on the outside and noone would know if they didn't reveal their maleness.

It is not a discussion sub. I'll stop responding to you from now on.

Please, by all means, stop wasting my time.