A tweet showing a graph of ages and sexes of gaypox patients violated twitter's rules.

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    [–]IridescentAnaconda 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    A lot of people had AIDS when I came out, didn't stop me from doing so, even though people talked about HIV all the time. It did stop me from having random sex, as it should. Today, PrEP encourages gay men to fuck randomly like the 1970s. It was only a matter of time before some other health crisis emerged.

    [–]Alienhunter 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

    It seems unironically homophobic to me to not be honest about where the disease vectors are coming from.

    Like we don't want gay people to get sick do we? I certainly don't want that. I'd say most everyone of any political of religious persuasion doesn't want that regardless on their opinions of homosexuality.

    If we obfuscate the very real risk that this is now mostly just being spread at gay orgies then it's just going to mean that gay people go to these without understanding the actual risks that they take on themselves. And they might go and unknowingly contract and spread the disease which will cause more gay people to suffer.

    People will tell me that I'm homophobic for suggesting that going to an orgy at this time is not advisable but it baffles me. I'm not saying this because I want gay people to suffer, quite the opposite, I'm not trying to suggest that it's specifically an issue with the orgy being gay, it's the orgy that is the issue not who is attending it. People aren't stupid they're going to notice who is getting sick and who isn't regardless of official statistics.

    I should think that gay people would want to adopt a very strong anti-orgy stance for the time being rather than decry those who point out the risks as being homophobic. As things stand now this is just going to result in a lot of gay people suffering directly from the monkey pox and from more social ostracization later as normal people don't want to get sick.

    If anything I think this strategy of making it taboo to mention that it's primarily being spread among homosexual men that are sexually active is going to have the opposite effect as intended. And these people making the policies are just going to be dumbfounded about that and just go and blame it on bigotry instead of being introspective and consider their own messaging might be flawed.

    [–]IridescentAnaconda 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    I should think that gay people would want to adopt a very strong anti-orgy stance for the time being rather than decry those who point out the risks as being homophobic.

    I wish that the gay male community would adopt a strong anti-orgy stance but unfortunately there is a lot of resistance to that messaging, "stop judging me stop sex-shaming me". But I believe that attitude comes from a deep sense of shame from being a homosexual. I never really felt that shame, not deeply, or at least not for very long in my life. I always assumed it meant that I would meet one other man that I would share my life with, and that it was OK and good. My life turned out to be a bit more complicated than that simple-minded view, i.e. it took a couple of false starts before getting there (but how many heterosexuals are on their second or third marriage?). But I think a lot of gay men just let the wave of shame overtake them and get caught up in the endless merry-go-round of sex. I wish that were not the case. I will say that the needless hate-on-gays attitude (divorced from hatred of the promiscuous behaviors, which I share) doesn't help matters much.

    [–]Alienhunter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes I've noticed similar things. I think most people who aren't gay have their experiences colored by primarily negative encounters with gay people which then drives the as you say needless hate on gay attitudes. Since if you are an average straight person your encounters with people whom you are aware that they are gay will basically only be when they are behaving in these kinds of extremely promiscuous ways and that will naturally lead to them thinking that all gay people are like that. Which I think furthers this kind of social gulf and mistrust between gay people and straight people.

    Random sex without relationships tends to lead to empty feelings and I don't think really helps with making people really be happy with themselves. I've seen very similar reactions from straight people before when you mention such things but they can't really use the homophobic angle. I think it's more or less the same, straight people from very strict conservative backgrounds tend to have a similar sexual awakening period if you will. The innocent homeschool girl turned immediate slut stereotypes if you will, I don't think is much different than what we see some gay people go through during their coming out.

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      [–]IridescentAnaconda 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      I like it when straight dues with imperfect sexual pasts (children scattered across the continent) judge gay men.

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        [–]IridescentAnaconda 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Because you're a terrible father and you know it.

        [–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        https://youtu.be/Prhi3_Nvt3U