I'm proud to be a White male.

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[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

If I give you two dice: A = [1,2,3,4,5,6] B = [1,2,3,4,5,1] And I told you to pick the dice that would give the highest number, which one would you choose? Would you treat A and B as if they were the same? As if each roll is an individual? And you would treat each roll as an individual, with no difference as to whether the roll comes from A or B?

Of course you would always choose A, because you werent brainwashed to discriminate against individual dice. But you were brainwashed to discriminate against Black or White individuals. Always treating Whites worse than they deserve to be treated and blacks better than they deserve.

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    [–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    False. Blacks and whites fall into different probability distributions just like dice A and dice B. You treating blacks and whites as if they have the same probability distribution is discrimination and bias. You wouldn't treat dice A and dice B as if they have the same probability distribution, because you know out of 100 rolls, dice A would get a higher number or the same number as dice B (6+5+4+3+2+6)/36 = 26/36 of the time and not 18 out of 36 times. Likewise you know that out of 36 individuals, you would have more blacks that are criminal than whites that are criminal, BUT despite this knowledge, you would treat the whites as if they are just as criminal as blacks. This is antiwhite bias. You are treating whites as if they are more criminal than they are.

    And no, individual people don't exist in isolation. They belong to a probability distribution. You wouldn't go to an old lady to find a violent criminal either, because you know she belongs to a probability distribution where its basically nonexistant. You wouldn't expect an individual who is an old lady and an individual who is a young black male to have the same probability of being a criminal.

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      [–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

      Yes, the moral action would be to treat whites fairly and not treat them as if they're more criminal than they are. And likewise, treat blacks fairly. Don't treat them as less criminal than they are.

      What you're advocating for is racial bias and racial discrimination.

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        [–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

        Wrong!
        If you have 10 blacks and 10 whites. Of whom 4 whites are criminal. Of whom 6 blacks are criminal. In total 10 out of 20 criminals. 50%.
        You treat each black and white person as if they have 50% chance of being a criminal.
        Judging the 6 black criminals, you say 50% of them are criminal, you correctly "guess" that 3 of them were criminals. You incorrectly guessed that 3 of them were innocent. Of the 4 remaining blacks, you guess 2 of them are criminal and correctly 2 of them innocent.
        In total you gussed that 5 blacks were criminal, 3 criminals were incorrectly judged by you to be innocent. 2 innocent were incorrectly judged by you. You underestimated the number of black criminals by 1. Judging black criminals better than they ought to be judged. For the whites, you judge them in the same manner. The 4 white criminals, you judge 2 of them to be criminal, 2 of them to be innocent. Of the 6 innocent, you judge 3 of them to be criminal and 3 of them to be innocent.
        In total you guessed that 5 whites were criminal, 3 innocents were incorrectly judged by you to be criminal. 2 criminals were incorrectly judged by you to be innocent. You overestimated the number of white criminals by 1. Judging white innocents worse than they ought to be judged.

        Why do you want to make innocent whites suffer for something they cannot change?

        If you treat them with 60% and 40% risk of being criminal, you avoid favoring blacks and you avoid making innocent whites suffer for something they cannot control.

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          [–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

          False. If you are going to stop a car forexample, you have to make a judgement call.
          When you go to a specific part of a city, you have to factor in how likely crime will be in that area. Etc.

          You are doing these types of estimates all the time.

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