What is happening in this world

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[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Thanks for this.

Here's the rub: whereas we should challenge Big Corp and money in politics, the anti-vax movement will continue to divide people. Big Corp and the .01% are manipulating the anti-vaxxers so that they'll argue over facts and science, whilst the .01% fleece the 99% for everything. It should be obvious. We saw 4 years of this under the Trump Admin, with politicians handing themselves tax breaks while putting the US $27 trillion in debt. Now that there is an opportunity to invest in the 99% (the jobs bill; and the defeated voters' rights bill), rather than give more money to the 1%, there is absolute resistence from the GOP and 2 traitor Senators. The solution to this insanity is obvious: vote greedy politicians out of office next year, and help elect an electable person who represents you. Reasonable solutions can only occur at that level. Regarding anti-vax campaigns: who does it benefit to make people mistrust a vaccine that's been administered 6.6 billion times without incident (with the exception of 2 dozen blood clots)? This campaign benefits the .01%, because they want COVID19 to spread, as this makes them rich, and harms everyone else. I normally don't want to influence anyone on Saidit, and I am under no illusion that I will convince an anti-vaxxer, but if I were to genuinely want Saiditors to know something, it's what I've written here. The anti-vax propaganda is a psyop, an information war meant to get votes for the GOP. Check the facts and science of their claims. Think of who pays millions for their propaganda. Moreover, the temporary profits of 2 or 3 Big Pharma companies are nothing compared with the long term benefits of the GOP control of politics, where they deregulate corporate oversight (as they've done in the past) and they borrow from China to give themselves tax breaks, leaving you with the bill. THAT's the problem, not a vaccine. Of course Big Pharma cannot be fully trusted. But who will regulate them? The GOP? Hell no. Vote the bastards out of office. Are vaccines dangerous? No. Does an increase in the percentage of vaccinated adults help open small businesses and end lockdowns? Yes. That should be a priority.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Of course Big Pharma cannot be fully trusted. But who will regulate them?

why trust their vaccine then? Why give them immunity for it?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

It's not just their vaccine, as the resarch for vaccines developed world-wide. Collaboration between virologists and other medical scientists helped develop the vaccines. We can trust that this collaboration, the science behind is, and the relative successes of 6.6 billion doses already administered and previously tested quite thoroughly. My note that Big Pharma cannot be fully trusted refers to other problems with Big Pharma that are unrelated to the vaccine, which is an international project. I did not say that they cannot be trusted on all matters. It would also be really foolish of them to screw up the arrangments for the vaccine.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

do you think it would be ok to take away their immunity, since the vaccine is so safe?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Immunity from prosecution is not the main problem. It was merely to allow for a quick turn-around of the vaccines and tests, without the worry of litigation, particularly in the US, where anyone could have challeged the process, shutting it down, only for political reasons. Oxford U. did not have to worry about this. Big Pharma is however not immune from serious challenges, if especially there are any serious side effects. For example, Oxford's AstraZenica was pulled form some of the markets. Propaganda websites focus on this immunity issue, but it's not what anyone worries about in the present case. If there are serious side effects, the value of the research, development and manufacturing investments will drop exponentially. But that's not happened in the US. There is a much bigger legal explanation about the importance of the initial immunity from prosecution clause, but it would take too long to write here. It's essentially a nothing burger. There are controls in place - in the market - to stop a vaccine distribution if there are serious side effects.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

is that a no

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

it's a no, until next year or the year after, while research is in process.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

maybe people should wait till then to get the vaccine

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I explained that the market keeps Big Pharma's vaccines in check. If there are problems, the vaccine is pulled, as has happend in some countries for AstraZeneca. The immunity clause merely helps them avoid frivolous lawsuits.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Question.... do you have stock in these vax companies? I notice that a lot of degenerates promotign these vaccines always are shareholders.