These People Are Psychopaths

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It was nothing personal

nikoCSFB accounts are - genuinely - shill accounts to get people to hate Biden

I liked Biden's response (I don't agree with everything in the administration, and especially not with military activities)

And the more I see you and Tom calling me a shill, the more I think that you and Tom should examine your own shill activities. By contrast, I have no agenda.

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Find them in support of a single modern politician or modern nation. You won't be able to do it very easily. You shill constantly for Biden and the scamdemic. What do they shill for?

You'd say conspiracy theories, but, as I've said (you just ignore it) many of us have seen the players involved walk from one aisle to the next, shaking hands all the way. Russians don't have complete freedom in the world. Chinese folks don't own and operate the major financial institutions of the world. It's not Muslims in Iran who spread tranny philosophy, nor are there Syrians forcing clean businesses across the world to shut down. We have gone out into the world and have seen the real players manipulate the others, who you seem to think we are peddling lies for. Jason and Tom are not rabid conspiracy theorists. If they were, they'd be peddling the low-level QAnon BS at you, or they'd mention lizard people. If they were shills, they'd be like the conspiracy shills on reddit, constantly saying: "Where are all the fun conspiracies? Why don't we talk about aliens and sasquatches? Why does it always have to be political?"

Those are conspiracy shills. Or, they peddle Alex Jones level conspiracy shit. Jason and Tom do not do that. They were probably like me. At one point in their lives, I am sure they used their passions and natural talents to shill for the established powers (albeit, their personal flavor of it) then wisened up to stop harping for others. (sorry boys, if I assume)

I really wish you'd make a separate post sometime about all this and just really ask the pertinent questions. People might leave you alone, or, you might finally recognize that if we are right in even the smallest of ways, then your whole worldview will need changing.

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I appreciate this thoughtful response.

If I may select a couple initial issues: if I have anything nice to say about Biden (which I rarely share on Saidit), that doesn't make me a shill

In fact, referring to someone you don't agree with as a shill kills the potential for conversation, as it's just an attack without merit. It's a signal that the person calling someone a shill lacks credibility. This is known by many at Saidit, but the attacks continue. Remember the pyramid od debate?

Just because the QAnon and Alex Jones arguments aren't used much on Saidit (that I know of), doesn't mean that the users are therefore enlightened centrists or center-right of the QAnon or Alex Jones freaks. I wouldn't have much to discuss with those folks, and it's perhaps because there aren't many at Saidit that I am still here. I can find them if I want to, but would rather not.

Regarding those who want to call me names, I sometimes get this from Jason, but we also discuss substantial topics. So I try to overlook the name-calling as best I can. I'm mainly curious about the approaches here on Saidit, if that's not obvious. I tend not to engage with most of the right-wing posts, and I certainly don't have an agenda. Regarding others who respond to me with little more than name-calling, some of them are anti-vax consipracy promoters, and I try not to bother them. I also accidentally angered some of the new anti-trans/intersex users recently, merely by stating that intersex people should have the same rights as the rest of us. I'll also try to avoid those conversations in the future. That said - even some of these people are more sensible than what I've seen on Saidit, where there appears to be a much angrier group that are convinced that every intersex person is a pedophile. How they make that leap in judgement is beyond my comprehension, but I have tried to understand this nontheless (even if I don't agree).

Regarding making a separate post, I am not sure what you refer to. I have made posts on Saidit. See s/Tits, one of my favorite subs.

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It is not an attack. You take it to be an attack for reasons you don't want to hear, because you'd call those reasons an "attack". I was called a shill when I was in your camp, and I didn't cry or whine. I recognized what the person was trying to say, and I acted accordingly. I had been harping for others, not for myself. I had been following others, not myself. You can say that calling someone a shill lowers their credibility, but I would say that calling someone a shill brings to light an important conversation: the origin of their views. If the origin of your views comes from debased evil, then you shill. You do not need to be paid to be a shill. You know how Muslims get online and rabidly defend their "religion of peace" and how Christian Zionists will go online and rabidly talk about their "turning the other cheek" even though these two groups lie and obfuscate just so they can push that narrative? Yeah, those are shills. You do the same thing.

You know what I mean by "separate post". I've suggested it to you many times. Ask people for all of their sources, and look into it. Ask questions pertaining to these conspiracies you have so many qualms with. Pretending to not know what I mean is obfuscating the point, which is lame on your part. It is shill behavior.

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Thanks for the info. I still don't deserve to be called a shill, or also the same kind of shill as - say a - Christian Zionist. It's bizarre to me that I am considered a shill when I am merely mentioning what the majority of people believe. Thus I don't have a minority agenda of any kind, but to argue against opinions of the minority (eg. anti-vax &c) results in my being the shill. Well then, does this meant that - for example - I LOVE Big Pharma and want to defend them? Nothing could be further from the truth. I think most people are skeptical of Big Pharma but are not skeptical of the regulations in place to make sure that Big Pharma doesn't poison us (though some are indeed skeptical of those regulations). What's really bizarre is that Republicans since Reagan and Libertarians have tried to remove regulations of all kinds, and with the Reagan Admin, Big Pharma actually helped write the bills that addressed the regulations. Thus Big Pharma became somewhat self-regulatory (!), which has helped develop an opioid crisis that has led to other problems. Regulation of the COVID19 vaccine is different, however, because the tests, regulations and trials are international, and have to meet international standards. If the vaccine will make your dick fall off, there is no evidence of this, after 100s of millions of doses have been injected, but we'll have to see, won't we.

Regarding the separate post - no, I don't know what you refer to . Are you saying that I should:

1) Submit a link or text post to a sub and start a discussion in that manner? If so, I've tried to do this.

2) Respond to someone's submission without following the discussion (responding to a response) and instead starting my own response to that submission? I've done this.