Why religion is valuable.

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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So like deified versions of humans that are worshipped? So they are not God then. Reminds me of Hindus worshipping human beings:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/trump-fans-india-worship-president-build-wall

Donald Trump is not God, Olympic idols and Hindu idols are not God. There is no difference between worshipping idols and worshipping humans, and other objects, which is what OP was describing. OP was also comparing idol worship (the golden calf) to how humans are worshipped today.

If you wanted to refute him, you would mention how Jesus is a human, a mortal, and he seems to equate him with God. Looks like he falls into the same human worship that he notices other people have fallen into.

[–]Comatoast 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Can you really use the Christ argument here? Because he technically transcended human form, and that's after performing a supposed myriad of miracles that wouldn't be possible for your standard human.

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Can you really use the Christ argument here? Because he technically transcended human form,

I know that Christians have a strange belief about Jesus, that he is God and the son of God and a part of a triune God, and they worship him. This is worshipping a human. I don't see this as any different that saying any other human is part of God or God. What do you mean that he is a transcended human form? Do you see other prophets that Christians and Jews believe in as being technically transcended human forms?

that's after performing a supposed myriad of miracles that wouldn't be possible for your standard human.

There were other prophets that Christians believe in that performed miracles but that they don't worship or consider God ie Moses, etc. Aren't miracles only able to be done with God's permission? The miracles are done by God's power, not by theirs.

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Christ is seen as an extension of God, as far as I understand it. He was born through immaculate conception by a virgin mother (who is also near-worshipped in some sects of Catholicism). Moses parted the sea, and there were a ton of other fantastical things that happened (I don't remember a LOT and I'm not Christian, so bear with me). He wasn't seen as the prophet and savior of all mankind though. Moses was still a savior in his own right, but it was Christ who was supposed to have the spark of the divine. Yeah, Abrahamics believe that we're all gods creations, but I think Christ was almost more of a demigod in his descriptions.

And yeah, transcended human form. Became one with god or whatever as part of the holy trinity.

I don't know, there's a whole lot of really interesting things within Abrahamic religions. I know that there's a lot of borrowing of information across all of them from pagan religions, and I think that some of that holds the keys to learning about those lost pagan civilizations in a roundabout way. If you think about King Solomon and his writings, you'll see the 72 kings, dukes, marquises and counts of hell. Then of course the others that were written about. I believe that there was conflation between those demons and gods of other cultures.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This isn't true about all Christians. The Catholics, Protestants, Anglicans, and others hold these views, while others, such as the Orthodox (both Greek and Russian, I believe) hold a similar view. And finally yet others, such as the Miaphysite, of which there are few left, hold that Christ is of a DUAL nature, that of man and god at the same time. This seems to most truthful approach to Christianity. If I believed, I would convert.