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[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

There's just no pleasing everyone. You will always have some people on the anti-censorship side that that will cry crocodile tears that they can't shout fire in a crowded theater and yell open threats to kill people. And you will also have on the pro-censorship side the people who can't believe the "horrible" things that you allow to exist on the forum, as if it should be a carefully curated walled garden that never displeases their particular worldview, and you're responsible for that. Both are obviously untenable positions. But as an admin or mod, the challenge is to balance all this.

The problem is that it's an asymmetric relationship. Group A wants to censor. Group B wants everyone to be able to say whatever they want. Sitation 1:
Group A becomes mods and Group B is removed which makes them into troublemakers.
Admins can either ignore, punish Group A or Group B but will likely punish Group B.

Situation 2:
Group B becomes mods and Group A is allowed to participate.
Group A whines repeatedly about what Group B says and mass reports.
Admins can either ignore, punish Group A or B but will likely ignore or start removing mods from Group B.

This is why any organisation that is not explicitedly anti-leftist eventually becomes leftist. Intolerance & Collectivism beats Tolerance & Individualism.

The pyramid of debate is by design anti-leftist and encourages good faith behaviour, which creates a great environment. Most people from Group B will be fine with rules if they are consistently enforced and clear. Group A will intentionally not make the rules clear nor will they enforce them consistently - instead they will shape the rules to target those they don't like and they will use "context" as justification when the rule is applied differently to different people in the exact same situation.

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instead they will shape the rules to target those they don't like and they will use "context" as justification when the rule is applied differently to different people in the exact same situation.

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    Normal people from Group B would simply accept it because it looked like the mods really did a good job considering the responses.

    This! This is what bothered me about the non-transparent rules at the GC subs and other places on reddit.

    [–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's akin to the survivorship bias if you know about it. The system might be horrible discriminatory but the ones who made it on top will feel like "If I can do it, then why can't the rest" because by taking this position they get all the credit and can feel validated in their social position, while if they had to accept that others that did as they did were denied the same opportunity, then they wouldn't feel the same accomplishment - rather they would feel that they were lucky rather than being good.
    Spez does the same. "We are a free speech website. We have plenty of conservatives that can follow the rules". The ones that weren't suspended yet by spez would read this and say "Yep. If I can do it, then it must have been the others that were at fault."
    Spez can then point to and highlight one extreme example out of the 1000 banned and act as if this one was representing all of the banned users.

    The transparency is good on saidit but you still can't view the removed content, so it's hard to judge if it was correctly removed.