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[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I only dismissed your original refusal to post sources because you initially refused to post sources. It's that simple.

Yes, I realized that after reading your post history and realizing that you were against TRAs that never post sources. I didn't post a source because I got a TRA vibe from you (sorry) and they constantly ask for sources while also completely disregarding any sources.

which is that black people have frustrations with the ramifications of being regularly looked down on in their own country

If we lived in a liberal country where individuals were treated equally by the law, then I would be open to acknowledging this but as it is currently where we live in a country where laws, policies and rules actively discriminate directly against whites, then I am not ready to consider this an issue. When racism is part of the game, then racism should favor whites and in that case they can leave if they don't like it here. It's not a complicated issue. Either we treat people colorblind or I promote my own kind. I will never agree to a policy that discriminates against white women just because they're white.

Claiming that blacks are systemically and institutionally priveleged in America is ridiculous.

I disagree and you haven't made any arguments to suggest that this is not the case, while I've presented several examples of laws that are discriminatory specifically against whites.

[–]zerosis 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Okay, I feel like you made your point clear. I disagree completely that it's 'not a complicated issue,' I think it's incredibly complicated and you're not allowing yourself to see the nuances of racial relations in America because it's less painful to take a hard-line stance in a racially-divided America right now than it is to see it without any lens of bias.

To be honest I'm not very interested in trying to convince you that black people have problems in America. It seems like you've already made up your mind on that front. The only reason I asked for sources for your claims on affirmative action is that I am open to the idea of white people being discriminated against. It's something I was genuinely interested in and am researching and soul-searching myself, which is why I didn't ask you for sources on anything else. I'd already made up my mind on the other things. I'm not open, however, to the idea of white people being the ONLY race currently systemically discriminated against. That's just dogmatic and it doesn't interest me.

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yes, we will probably not agree on wether its a complicated issue or not, because I see it as a simple issue, which might be - or is - because of my pro-white bias.

The only reason I asked for sources for your claims on affirmative action is that I am open to the idea of white people being discriminated against

I think there is not much to be convinced about. A poor white girl is not given any bonus points on her test scores, while a rich black girl is. This is text book racism.

I'm not open, however, to the idea of white people being the ONLY race currently systemically discriminated against. That's just dogmatic and it doesn't interest me.

You're right. But antiwhite racism is so prevalent that once you see it, it's everywhere and literally impossible to unsee. Basically, I was taught to treat everyone equally and colorblind but I had an internalized learned antiwhite bias that I didn't know about. It's what my friend called "bigotry of low expectations". It kind of shook me because I realized that I didn't have the same expectations of whites and non-whites. I tolerated if something benefitted non-whites at the cost of whites, while I would've considered the opposite to be racist.
Since then I've forced myself to ask "Does this benefit whites?" and if it hurts whites, then it's racist.

Our entire society is filled with "bigotry of low expectations" and it creates a lot of double standards and it hurts whites on a massive scale, while benefitting non-whites. And most are blind to it because of their internalized bias. Oh, now I'm just rambling.

Please read the links or parts of them. Try to be objective with regards to discrimination, because they're very good at justifying why the discrimination against whites is acceptable but it would never be accepted if it were reversed. Its socially acceptable for blacks to be victims but its not acceptable for whites to be victims.

[–]zerosis 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Hey, I know it's been a while since this thread happened but I was going through my old comments and I wanted to let you know I'm sorry for going so hard on you over this. I was being an ass, and you made a lot of good points. I've changed my mind about the BLM movement and no longer support it. Apologies again for being a dick.

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Merry christmas and happy new year

[–]zerosis 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Same to you man