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[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

It's pretty easy to grow, if you can do that. They even have 2'x2' grow tent kits now, if you're tight on space. Given that it's only 15F there, a hot HPS bulb instead of LEDs could help with your heat.

After they legalized stores, they added a ton of taxes and regulations here to reinvigorate the black market. Or at least that was the effect.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

I grew 25+ plants in 1993 at college in Oakville, near Toronto. Half were transported and planted in Muskoka, soon many were invisible in my Uncle's green forest, never to be found.

I grew a couple in Oakland, California, made butter and gave it a way. Never did even try it.

This month I aim to germinate or find clones for a bunch with aims of planting 25 in the back yard (5 are allowed for the 5 tenants here) and giving away the ones we don't keep. I'll also post a sign that asks people not to take any, but feel free to ask for clones and/or come back later after the harvest for proper free kind bud.

I'm converting half my basement into a year-round food garden. Maybe some weed on the side over the winter. In time I want to set up aquaponics and beer/whisky/wine stills. Maybe make some pot-brew of some kind too.

I wish ketamine grew on trees.

[–]Node 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

In 1993 I grew 'a few'. Man, those were the days.

Be sure to look for specific strains, or a variety you select for their characteristics. If you could do 25 different strains, you'd be that much more likely to find a few you absolutely love.

beer/whisky/wine stills

How hard and/or expensive is that? I've been trying to do more of my own stuff. Roasting my own coffee and making some fermented foods. Wine making would be nice to know how to do.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

WOW!

I don't know what 6 inch centers are.

I also helped some friends produce and sell "medical" MJ in SF. Beyond that I'm no green thumb, and even if I don't smoke much I like to rebel. My Riverside High School mascot was a Rebel too.

I don't do coffee, but a friend in town here recently sold his "I Luv Coffee" store, but continues with his products for markets. I could reach out if you're really keen.

Ask /u/AmericanMuskrat about fermenting. I know nothing about it - yet.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

6 inch centers is 4 plants per square foot. 64 plants under a 1000W HPS in a 4'x4'. Trim all the side branches, and you end up with a single bud on a stick. Relatively easy trim. You get more of what you want, and less of the marginal stuff. Very much depends on the strain, though.

I don't do coffee

What do you think of kratom? About a half tablespoon of the powder (ground up leaves from the tree) is like a good shot of caffeine without any negatives I've noticed.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

That seems mighty dense.

Caffeine pills are super cheap and I find much more reliable than beverages. And easy enough to split.

I have yet to try kratom. Seems easy enough to find, though I don't know how reputable any of the sources would be. I'd need to have disposable funds though. I guess it's on my bucket list, but not very high.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

though I don't know how reputable any of the sources would be.

CanopyBotanicals and Herbal RVA have the best prices for me in the US. ~$80 kilos.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

https://herbal-rva.com/product/premium-maeng-da/#reviews

Best quality and best prices I've found yet. Compare to my local $22 for 40 grams, and quality was iffy. I highly recommend this source, this 'Premium Maeng Da', and the $70 kilo quantity. Ignore all the different "kinds". It's 95% marketing. They ferment the leaves to make the reds, yellows, and etc.

Note that it tastes a little terrible, so people sometimes get capsules. Meh, I just mix it with a cup of water and drink it. If you find some locally, try about a half tablespoon of their green, and see what you think.

I could practically be a paid shill for those guys, but I did go through a few sources that weren't very good. One of them was so gritty I suspected they just threw rocks into the grinder with the leaves to add weight.

Yes, it was very dense. Needed a couple side branch trims to keep them from overcrowding, with the final removal about two weeks in. Also made them relatively open under that dense canopy for air movement.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for this. Might be worth sharing in a new post. I don't know if I'll be in the market any time soon.

Plus I'm in Canada.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

How hard and/or expensive is that? I've been trying to do more of my own stuff. I grew a few plants out back last summer. CA fires dropped a ton of ash on them. :( Hardly use any now though. Also roasting my own coffee ($20 to get started) and making some fermented foods. Making my own alcohol would be nice to know how to do.

Making wine/cider is easy. It's just juice, yeast, and optionally added sugar to pump up the abv. Then you either "burp" your container periodically or use an airlock, which can be improvised. It takes 2 weeks to 3 months for the ferment depending on the abv you're going for, higher abv (more sugar, see Brix value) takes longer. The cost of the alcohol is dependent on how cheaply you can get juice and sugar.

Even fruit scraps can work, I'm making tepache right now, which is a kind of Mexican pineapple ginger beer using the leftover pineapple rind.

Beer I haven't done. It seems harder, you have to make a wort with hops and grains and whatnot, and generally they force carbonate.

Haven't distilled anything either, I don't have land to do that on safely. A few hundred bucks can buy a cheap still online or if you're handy, they don't seem too tricky to build. If I want to concentrate I do something called freeze distillation, or freeze jacking. It uses the fact that water freezes more readily than alcohol to concentrate booze. It's generally illegal in the US though.

[–]Node 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

The wine sounds a lot like my kvass. I have a gallon jar on top of my fridge I've been making kvass in for awhile. Hulled oats, a lemon slice or two, and sugar. A bit of yeast is optional. Can be ready in a few days, or a few weeks for stronger. Lid just sits on top to keep the dust out.

Do you have a particular link for the wine making? Or I could search.

I suppose the still is too complicated and risky for my small place. Plus, instacart just delivered this a little while ago for cheap. Kirkland Signature Blended Scotch Whisky Scotland, 1.75 L $20.39

But the wine and variants sounds fun.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Sounds just like kvass, same basic process goes for making all alcohol.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/ has more advanced stuff. r/prisonhooch is great for bare basic booze made from whatever. r/winemaking has the dudes who got a wine making kit for Christmas (don't tell them that) but there's good info there. Sorry about reddit links because reddit sucks but those subs are decent.

Kirkland Signature Blended Scotch Whisky Scotland

I'd drink it in a couple days and spend the next recovering. Sounds fun.

Nice.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/

Thanks, looks like a lot of people there know what they're doing. I'm going to have to learn their language, and possibly get some tools or meters to measure something or other. Checked the reddit link just for the heck of it and this was near the top:

Hello everyone, I'm sure you get this question everyso often from newbies making wine kits. My question is that, as a strict vegetarian, I'd prefer not to use chitosan. I'm only comfortable using kits so far and they all come with chitosan and kieselsol packets for use after fermentation. My question is whether I can replace these with a vegetarian friendly alternative? If so, when and how could I add it?

Classic, although he hadn't mentioned being an atheist yet. lol

That scotch is pretty tasty to me. Was a beer drinker for decades, then decided to switch to concentrates a few months ago because of the hoax making store visits impossible. Around here, only the maskers can enter stores.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That scotch is pretty tasty to me. Was a beer drinker for decades, then decided to switch to concentrates a few months ago because of the hoax making store visits impossible. Around here, only the maskers can enter stores.

Be careful. Liquor greatly expands the potential for all sorts of fuckery. I'm only allowed beer these days, kinda sucks. Although there is something to be said for the mini bender.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The difference in alcohol % has taken a little getting used to, and /u/magnora7 could verify some of the fuckery. With beer, you have to drink a few glassfulls to catch a buzz, and that muscle memory lingers.

A few incidents and guh-narly hangovers can help with the retraining.