Catholic church admits that a telescope named LUCIFER (later shortened to LUCI) is at the Vatican outpost in Arizona and that they have access to it. They deny "owning" it.... but they funded it. They used a telescope named LUCIFER, which is the name of God's adversary!

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[–]HugodeCrevellier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

'Lucifer' means 'bringer of light' ... literally ... and that's a great name for a telescope.

But no ... 'God's adversary', the enemy of a deity that, accordingly, must therefore be the ... 'bringer of darkness'?

Also, a deity with an equally magic and invisible adversary in a ... 'mono'-theism?

But of course! :/

So much damage has been done because the Romans were somehow fooled into conflating 'The One' (a Platonic philosophical concept for the original/universal consciousness) with the worship of 'Yahweh' (some primitive, barbarous and demonstrably evil Middle-Eastern tribal deity, and its associated mythology) ... leading to all kinds of nonsensical crap.

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Romans seemed pretty high IQ. Tell me how a cult banned by emperors outlived them all.

[–]HugodeCrevellier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Starting with Constantine (whose mother, 'a woman of low social standing', was a follower of the cult) it was soon promoted by Roman Emperors. It offered justification for the kind of dictatorial system of government which they liked, with an absolute monarch/'Lord'/dictator-deity ruling the Universe, with no checks nor balances from other perspectives/Gods. Roman emperors are the ones that imposed it upon the empire. Had it not infected Roman Emperors, that cult, and the distasteful self-serving tribal bullshit that went with it, would have remained obscure ... probably for the better.

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So, if I understand you correctly, Constantine, rather than promoting a cult of emperor worship like earlier emperors, instead chose to use a cult that claims there are moral values that not even an emperor can disobey? This he saw as a brilliant idea to control the people in the empire?

[–]HugodeCrevellier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

'If', you don't, nor do you seem to be trying to. So, where to begin? I suggest reading Plato's Euthyphro as a start, perhaps.

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Then explain it because I don't know how to interpret it without you either calling him or his mother low IQ.

For example, if he simply believed things because his mother says so, it does not reflect well on him.

If he didn't believe, calling himself a god like other Roman emperors would give him more absolute power than a cult that says someone else is king and not even the emperor can disobey. This is, for example, why Christianity is persecuted in China: the idea that state is not to be obeyed when the laws are evil.

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Lucifer wasn't always evil. He was God's first originally created spirit. And he was exceptionally beautiful and perfect, because God made him perfect, the same as all the other spirits God made. But because of free will, Lucifer chose to reject God (and his love) and lost his bright nature and became dark, the opposite of God.

invisible adversary

Lucifer was the opposite: he was visible, while God is invisible. The other spirits could see Lucifer, but could not see God. They wanted to see God, but could not. Lucifer tried to take God's place and convinced many spirits to follow him and reject God.

The solution: God became man and man became God through the man Jesus Christ. Jesus died on the cross so that the spirits that rejected him and fell here with Lucifer may repent and be forgiven of their enormous guilt.

[–]HugodeCrevellier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What do you mean 'was' this or that, 'beautiful', 'visible', etc?

Don't Yahweh-worshippers believe that the deity's adversary currently 'is' (e.g. 'visible') ... as in today?

As for that ... 'solution':

It's that the deity then becomes human, and vice versa, in order to be sacrificed to the deity (i.e. itself!?), so that it (the deity i.e. itself) can be appeased into forgiving humans (sparing them from mass murder) ... oh, and into forgiving the spirits that rejected it and fell here with Lucifer, so they may repent and be forgiven of their enormous guilt.

OMG, pardon the pun.

If it were just you believing such stuff, as opposed to entire institutions, and a large chunk of our species, with you being just another follower among billions, I'd suspect some kind of mental issue.

Well, I still do ... only it's a mass mental issue ... and it may prove to be our species' 'great filter'.

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are not forced to accept the sacrifice of Jesus Christ made on your behalf. You are free to choose another destiny, but then you will have rejected God's love all over again and be headed to a place devoid of love. You insult other people, while I didn't say anything about your IQ or your mental health. There is no need for us to continue talking.