“If you have always believed that everyone should play by the same rules and be judged by the same standards, that would have gotten you labeled a radical 60 years ago, a liberal 30 years ago and a racist today.“ Thomas Sowell

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[–]RuckFeddit 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (31 children)

Sowell also writes on racial topics and is a critic of affirmative action and race-based quotas.[20][21] On the topic of affirmative action, Sowell has stated:

One of the few policies that can be said to harm virtually every group in a different way… Obviously, whites and Asians lose out when you have preferential admission for black students or Hispanic students—but blacks and Hispanics lose out because what typically happens is the students who have all the credentials to succeed in college are admitted to colleges where the standards are so much higher that they fail.[22]

I've been bringing up affirmative action on reddit for years as a tangible example of structural racism. Guess how many discussions that lead to?

Gotta read more from this guy, thanks OP.

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (30 children)

No you shouldnt read more of this guy. Sowell is a reagan republican, so even if there is some consistency on the affirmative action issue, everything else he does is lapdog, like clarence thomas.

You do not get a syndicated column in the united state as a black person for representing the interests of black people, just ask martin luther king jr.(proven assassinated by the us govt)

In a way sowell is the jordan peterson of black people, "personal responsibility man, personal responsibility"

I remember when I was in los angeles in 2011, driving to work I would see billlboards with Thomas Sewell, Bill Cosby and Condoleeza Rice on them for some kind of pep talk/rally for black people, which I find disgusting.

https://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2004/05/25/bravo-for-bill-cosby-n871455 http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell052504.asp

https://archive.is/NkTTA (because this is certainly at risk of being taken down) https://archive.is/9FZZ8

Also this entire post is a race war bait thread.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

You're engaging in exactly the type of behaviour that brought to saidit in the first place, trying to discredit someone personally rather than discredit their ideas or the consequences of their ideas. Guilt by association is the basis of all prejudice, so why don't you address the ideas instead of engaging in smears. You're essentially being racist (in the racial prejudice sense rather than the postmodern racism is a belief system sense). Sowell couldn't possibly be where he is based on merit could he?

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (28 children)

Everything about your response is in bad faith, respond to my actual arguments and then I will maybe take you seriously.

My rejection of sewell, and this out of nowhere sewell praise thread, is not a personal attack, I am attacking what he says, and I am not saying it is guilt by association, they were not in a picture together, they took part in movement activities together, rallies, writing articles in defense of one another.

So either you are being unintelligent intentionally or not, remains to be seen.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (27 children)

It is a personal attack. You're judging him based on his associations. That's guilt by association. So what if he's a republican, do you honestly believe all republicans are wrong or evil? And of course someone with views compatible with a publication could be black. Martin Luther King Jr. was a socialist, his views weren't compatible, should he have been given the column? You're looking at everything through a lens that sees groups in order to ignore beliefs which is exactly why you wouldn't have been given the column but Sowell would.

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

No I am judging him based on his words on the record in support of bill cosbys sick attitude towards black people, his participation in large scale public events with bill cosby and condoleeza rice.

This is not a photo of them together at a party, they are part of the same poltiical movement of black republicans, which includes Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas, the shucky ducky guy, none of whom are representative of black people, and all of whom who have said and done a lot of things to repress, undermine, misrepresent and blame black people for problems that are not their fault.

As well as support the republican agenda, which is against all poor people of all colors, and frequently sends them to die in pointless military actions.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Listen, you can continue to play a game like a teenager's popularity contest, or you can treat arguments based on their individual merit. Until you understand the difference you're a waist of my time.

Edit: typo (and I bet you wish you could ban me now, don't you?)

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

On the debate pyramid I refuted your points, you cannot just say that is "a game" or that I am not evaluating the merits and magically turn bullshit into reality.

You are being worse than a teenager, "i know you are but what am i " is literally a child's game.

I will probably have to block you becaues not a single thing you have said in this thread demonstrates any interest in the topic or even your own stated positions.

Lookup the word "mendicant" in my book, that is what you are, and I will probably have to block you, but at this point in this thread, I am going to make an example of you to demonstrate how much work people will do to put lipstick on a pig.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

I'm just replying to inform you that I'm not reading your comments. You're an idiot if you think I don't understand what you're doing. Add disingenuousness, feigning ignorance and being pedantic to the pyramid. You could shorten it to 'trolling' (the original definition meaning trying to provoke an angry response). Quitting the drugs/alcohol and self reflection will help your depression.

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

shill tactic: "take your meds"

shill tactic: "what are you smoking, you must be on drugs etc"

shill tactic: "i am not even reading what you say anymore"

shill tactic: "youre an idiot"

shill tactic: mirroring my argument strat even if it is incoherent hoping no one will take the time to analyze

shill tactic: i know you are but what am i, like 5 times now ITT

shill tactic: gaslighting, doing infuriating things to provoke an overreaction, then attacking the overreaction

shill tactic: make a front page post about a divisive racial figure then just stir shit in every comment

shill tactic: weaponized conflation, calling my earlier accusation that sewell is a major supporter of bill cosby the same as guilt by association when those are two very different things

edit: There are more, i may keep adding to the list.

Keep responding, you are an interesting fish indeed, worthy of study

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You and /u/MrObvious both have terrific points up to this point in the conversation, but you are both so similar you can't see the forest through the trees. Sometimes there is only one correct answer and sometimes there are MANY diverse and perfectly valid views. It's a shame you guys keep getting defensive sliding into criticizing the other's "tactics" and such. I would like to see more discussions between you two if you could just be civil and respectful.

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    I think you replied to the wrong comment.

    [–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    You really think the thomas sewell debate is at this moment in time worthy of front page news on saidit?

    Me being here and telling you that is silly and pointing out he is a major cosby supporter going way back, is the only thing making this entire thread interesting.

    As for your "prove to me there is structural racism against black people", you should start a whole new post with that as now that is off topic.

    And race war bait, obviously.

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      [–]Crad 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Dude you really out here expect others to link you articles on something so obvious cuz youre too lazy to google it yourself? Are you playing dumb or you just born yesterday? lol

      [–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I guess that is one way of admiting you lost and have no further ideas how to support your failed position.