The Nord Stream blasts cover story is crumbling

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[–]weavilsatemyface 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Russia lost not only the cost of building the pipeline, and the income from selling gas to Germany, but also the ability to use that gas supply to influence Germany. (Although, in the opening months of the war, the Russians were absolutely scrupulous about honouring their commercial contracts.) Not only did Russia have no motive to destroy the pipeline, they had no opportunity.

So who did?

  • America: spends ten years trying to bully Germany into cancelling the Nord Stream project.
  • President Biden: explicitly threatens to destroy the Nord pipelines, publicly states that they have ways to do it.
  • Victoria Nuland: describes the destruction of the pipeline as a great opportunity for the US.
  • US: opportunity to sell gas to Germany at about five times the cost the Russians were selling it.
  • Polish member of parliament Radek Skikorski: "Thank you, USA."
  • Environmental NGOs, who would normally expect to be all over this massive release of a powerful greenhouse gas: silence.
  • Germany: oh well, what a shame this happened, but we'll never find out who did it so let's just move on.
  • EU: we'd rather not find out who did it.
  • UN Security Council: rejects a call to investigate the attack (only Russia, China and Brazil voted in favour).
  • CIA: It was the Ukrainians, in a yacht that couldn't even lay anchor in that part of the sea.
  • Nordic countries that had naval exercises with the USA in the area not long before the explosions: what a mystery, I guess we'll never know who did it.

So let's see: the USA had the means, motive and opportunity. The Russians did not. Put two and two together, and the obvious answer is: iT wAs tHE rUzIAnS!!1!!!

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Polish member of parliament

But I said "thank you ruzzia". Why aren't I on your list as a counterpoint? Is it because your standards of proof are atrocious?

Environmental NGOs....silence

How did you determine that?

I wasn't silent, can I be on your list twice as a counterpoint, if this is the threshold of evidence needed?

By the way, is your allegation, that somehow every single environment NGO on the planet knew in advance that the CIA was about to do this, so they should be quiet.

Is it your allegation that the CIA informed every environmental NGO in the world?

Germany: oh well

Okay so if any German wants to set aside this "oh, well" attitude and looks for evidence - they'll be on your list as a counterpoint, right?

Again, did the CIA inform every German in advance? Did they somehow know that America needed them to take an "oh, well" stance?

And additionally everyone in a Nordic country?

What bizarre fucking insane planet do you live on? What a weirdo

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why aren't I on your list as a counterpoint?

You are some random dude on the internet. Why should I give your opinions the same rank as those of an extremely well-connected Polish senior politician with close ties to the USA?

You're also not an environmental NGO.

Okay so if any German wants to set aside this "oh, well" attitude and looks for evidence - they'll be on your list as a counterpoint, right?

What are you smoking? It must be pretty powerful stuff.

I'm not talking about random German people. I'm talking about the German government.

The fact that the US bombed the Nord pipelines is the biggest open secret since Israel developed nuclear weapons. The US openly said they would destroy the pipelines, they had motive, means and opportunity, they have tried to push the most stupid cover story. If there was even one in a million chance that Russia was responsible, you can absolutely bet that Germany and the USA would be screaming at the top of their voices for a UN investigation to find the terrorists who committed this crime. Instead they are blocking every single attempt to investigate.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Okay, so you believe that the CIA did this in secret but they informed

  1. A polish politician for no reason

  2. Every environmental NGO for no reason

  3. The German government for no reason

I don't understand why you think these peoples' behaviour is proof of a cover-up unless you're also saying they're in on the plot.

And if they're in on the plot - then why? Why did the CIA need to let a polish dude know in advance? If he wasn't informed - then why did you bring him up as proof?

Nothing makes sense here

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay, so you believe that the CIA did this in secret but they informed

A polish politician for no reason

It wasn't the CIA, it was a military operation, and it seems that the CIA is pissed off that they weren't informed about the op before it happened. That's probably why they came up with such a ludicrous cover story. Bureaucratic in-fighting.

Of course the US government didn't go around telling everyone about the operation. But all these groups are closely aligned, they are neoliberal globalists, and the leader of neoliberal globalism is the USA. The first rule of Fight Club is that you don't talk about Fight Club, and the first rule of globalism is that you don't embarrass the USA globalist elites (unless it is Trump, but he's an outsider).

I don't understand why you think these peoples' behaviour is proof of a cover-up

If they actually thought it was Russia, or random terrorists, or anyone except the USA, they would be demand a full investigation and chasing these terrorists down to bring them to justice. But they're not. They are refusing to investigate, or doing such a half-arsed job that they don't find anything. That's because they don't want to find anything.

If they suspected it was Russia, they would be combing the area with a thousand divers every day looking for clues, they would be publishing satellite data showing what Russia ships where involved, every newspaper and media outlook would be talking about how the Russians blew up the pipeline... but they aren't doing this.

Nothing makes sense here

Who had means, motive and opportunity?

  • Ukraine had motive, but no means or opportunity. The cover story that a bunch of Ukrainians in a yacht managed to blow up the pipeline is just idiotic.
  • Russia has means (top class navy divers capable of working in deep water), but no motive or opportunity. Blowing the pipeline hurt Russia's ability to influence Germany, and while it hasn't hurt their immediate profits -- they're just selling the gas to other countries instead -- in the long run, it will cost them many billions to rebuild the pipelines if they want to sell to Germany again. And even if they wanted to, they had no opportunity.
  • But the US has means, motive and opportunity:
    • they have naval divers who can operate in deep water (means);
    • they have motive (counter Russian influence in Europe, destroy Russian assets, hurt Russian profits, leave Germany with a massive energy deficit which they can only fill by buying American gas);
    • and they had opportunity (US naval ships in the area doing military training).

The US repeatedly threatened to end the Nord pipeline. They want everyone to know they did it, especially the Russians so long as it can't be proven in an international court, since this is legally a terrorist act.