Prediction: Christians in the US will convert en-masse to Islam or Darwinism

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

Atheism is not a religion, it is not an ideology or dogma to which one is converted to or from in the same way that religionns and cults are. If the three, religions and cults have more in common than either have with atheism, as atheism is precisely that which they are not. It is not a belief system, atheists do not all follow the same understanding of the world around us, and not all atheists share the concepts of the natural order you mentioned.

That said, you are discussing the United States in particular, a highly polarised society grounded in a competitive left and right. Even in most Hollywood movies, the social fabric of the US is defined by rivalry, hero Vs villain, sport team Vs sport team, democrats Vs republican, humans Vs aliens, black vs white, cops Vs robbers, cowboy Vs jndian. It's no surpise that you suggest a competitive change in demographics. I find it less likely that atheism will spread as predominantly as in Europe, since atheism seems so commonly spoken of in a pejorative sense. How many would be a successful politician without using the word god every few minutes? More likely the US will end up a bizarre socialist authoritarian country than islamic.

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    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

    Not at all, to be dogmatic there must be a shared belief system to begin with. Atheism is the absence of god, the absence of a belief system, the absence of dogma.

    Atheists are not a group. It is the obsessive compulsive mindset of the religious who are unable to comprehend the existence of anything other than a religious group and therefore they attribute atheism to the equivalent of a religion.

    To not believe in something is not a belief system. Lack of something is not something, lack of dogma is not dogma therefore lack of belief in God is not dogmatic.

    There may be people who do not believe in God who have a belief system, this doesn't mean all atheists share that system, all atheists are individuals who can believe whatever they want.

    [–]VulptexVoluntaryist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    But there is a huge cult of atheists who religiously share a set political and social beliefs. These ones are hard leftist progressives and absolutely despise Christianity, and place a lot of value on "trusting the science", which according to them is whatever the cognitive elites say. And they call anyone who disagrees with them a conspiracy theorist.

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    I am fully convinced that there is a single divide in society when it comes to belief. There are the religious and the non-religious.

    As older religious fail to hold up to scrutiny for many in the modern age and atheism is more widely accepted, many appear to be aligning with atheism despite them being very religious people.

    This leads to these religious sorts requiring something new to follow, be it socialism, 'muh science', communism, extinction rebellion, etc. These are atheist in name only, they are highly religiously minded people who are lost without a cause.

    Look at the similarity between those you speak of and the mainstream religions. Indoctrination, ridiculous traditions, repeating monologue talking points to no end, segregation, bullying opposition, etc. They appear brainwashed, just like the religious who talk about Jebus or Mohammed.

    Those you speak of are creating their own dogmatic belief in far-left ideology, this is indeed cult like, but I see little difference between a cult and a religion. So I disagree that they are atheists.

    [–]VulptexVoluntaryist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    You're right, but the "true" atheists are so rare they're probably not even worth mentioning. Lack of religious belief usually leads to agnosticism rather than atheism, because atheism is still faith in there being no god.

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    because atheism is still faith in there being no god.

    I reject this claim.

    [–]VulptexVoluntaryist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    Then you're more agnostic than atheist. Atheists are sure there's no god. You're not alone, most self-described "atheists" with any brain cells are really agnostic.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    I am satisfied with my absence of belief in a god and have no interest in faith either way. Faith is useless, a fantasy for those who care more.for.daydreams than cold reality. Agnosticism is broadly speaking, a lazy way of compromising with the religious to avoid an argument.

    [–]VulptexVoluntaryist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    No, that's what agnostic is. You just don't believe in anything in particular. Atheism is a definite faith in there not being any god.

    But in most settings, people confuse the two, and call them both atheism.

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      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      You're wrong. You cannot simply tell people they are not atheist because you 'muh know better'. 🙄

      Do you believe in Santa clause? If not, is it festive agnosticism that affirms your non-belief?

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        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Humans invent concepts and then naively believe them to be true. Faith is wilfull ignorance.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

        Atheism and its adherents are incredibly dogmatic. It begins with the assertion that there is no God. That alone is dogmatic.

        Atheism is just an evidentiary standard, they lack what you might call 'faith'. Faith is belief in something with a certainty that exceeds the quality of the evidence. If you need 'faith' to justify your belief, an atheist would say it's an unjustified one. Atheists object to the idea of faith, not the idea of a God. It's only dogma when no amount of evidence would change your mind

        Lets take the pastafarians as an example. Would you assert than there is no all-powerful cosmic spaghetti monster? I imagine you or any reasonable person would not remain agnostic about this, and actively disbelieve in a cosmic spaghetti monster. In fact if you believe in the Christian God, you HAVE to disbelive in the spaghetti monster. What if I told you the reason the sky was blue was that demonic goblins were jerking off their ethereal jism into the sky and making it blue? I think almost anyone would outright reject this claim based on a lack of evidence to even consider this. Atheists are simply making the judgement that the evidence for Yahweh, Odin, Allah, Shiva or any other theological deity aren't any better, and believing in such a thing is silly. They just believe in one less of the human Gods than monotheists

        Again, it's not the idea of God that atheists object to, its the evidentiary standards and need for faith they are rejecting. Many (me included) would change their minds if there was better evidence, so it isn't actually dogma

        [–]VulptexVoluntaryist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Except that the vast majority of NDEs all line up except for one crucial detail: the deity the person encounters is usually whatever they believe in. This proves that deceptive spirits are running the world. Everything else is always the same. There's always a life review, there's almost always a white light tunnel and visions of the afterlife, a judgement, and if the person will fall for it, sometimes they give completely bullshit reasons to live another life, like "you're here to learn" or "it's all for the greater good". The only difference is which god it takes the form of. And they see dead people, who are also really imposters.

        I'll also say this: Jesus gets literally everything right. I have yet to know of a single person who even comes close. There are plenty of very intelligent, wise people throughout history, but even the best stumble in many ways. And his message is so antithetical to human nature and the universe itself, I can't see some religious fanatics just making it up. Plus, I've had plenty of things communicated to me telepathically well before encountering them in some old book, and it's often things humans in general wouldn't be on board with and the church tries to cover up.

        But all this irrefutable proof aside, the question of existence still remains. It is simply logically impossible for "reality" not to be some kind of illusion. Because the fact is, it manifests from us and not the other way around. Even mainstream science admits that. Everything is perception, and it is not possible for a bunch of atoms to create anything more than the outward appearance of a being having that. Indeed the matter can only exist if there is an observer.

        Now having established that, we get to unmasking just how sinister this world is. Why am I trapped in it? Why is it forced on me, and I have no willful effect on it beyond the faintest synchronicities (and even that could really be operators messing with us)? It shouldn't even be possible, but somehow a gang of evil has managed to imprison me in their simulation, and subject me to never-ending psychological torment. Now that realization is dark and terrifying, and all-encompassing, especially when I do not know how to get out. And I was so brainwashed it took me forever to figure out this simple and obvious fact, even though I question everything. Even when I had doubts about the world I was living in, I still took for granted that there was a "real" world somewhere above all of them.

        Obviously this is all deeply unsettling and depressing. Most people are understandably more than willing to believe the laughable lie that this world is good and even divine. But in the long term I think denial will only sink us further into this mess, however it began. I absolutely refuse to return, or travel to any dedicated afterlife, if I can help it. But no matter what it cannot go on forever. God help us if it can, and he has.

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          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          It is illogical to assume that not believing in something requires faith in its absence.

          If you do not believe that pink flying unicorns exist, it is not faith that affirms your conclusion of the non-existence.

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            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Probability does not equate to certainty.

            [–]VulptexVoluntaryist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

            It would be a cult that subscribes to atheism. It doesn't define it.

            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

            Ah, you mean like communism?

            [–]VulptexVoluntaryist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            Very close. It would be more like fascism. The libs are already promoting communism though.

            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Libtards. Atheism by name, but communist by nature. 🤷