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[–]thefirststone 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (39 children)

Coronaviruses cause a significant portion of colds, at least a quarter is what I've read. Fast mutation of corona and rhino viruses was always cited as the reason there would never be a vaccine for the common cold.

The influenza virus moved slowly enough that an existing variant could be predicted to be the major one in the next season, and a vaccine used against that.

Your logic is backwards.

Also, the news claims hospitalized patients testing positive and vaccinated are one third or more (some places in Europe, it's over three quarters) of all ICU patients. Though I can't tell which of those were in the ICU because of the virus, and which were in there for other reasons. But the way it's presented so far doesn't support any risk reduction for the Delta Variant, if we believe the media.

[–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (38 children)

Also, the news claims hospitalized patients testing positive and vaccinated are one third or more

In America, 95-99% of people hospitalized with Covid are unvaccinated.

https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-data-from-the-states/

[–]noice 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

This is misleading due to the timeframe involved. Look at the time frames of sampling, consider the separation of fully vaccinated vs other (including status unknown), and look at the vaccination percentage over time from other data sources.

[–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

This is misleading due to the timeframe involved

Vaccines have been out since January, you're full of shit babe.

[–]noice 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

[–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Yep, and 99% of COVID-19 hospitalizations are among the UNVACCINATED.

Your argument is trash.

[–]noice 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

99% of covid hospitalizations are among the unvaccinated not fully vaccinated (that we know of)*

* At a time when that applies to the majority of the population

[–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

70% of US adults are vaccinated. Nice try though.

[–]noice 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Have you ever done calculus?

[–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I understand what you're saying: that the stats are counting Covid deaths before vaccines were widely available. 2 points:

  1. Vaccines have been widely available since February, for 5 months or about 1/3 of the pandemic. Logically, vaccine recipients should make up a proportional quantity of hospitalized COVID-19 patients if they don't work.

  2. Currently, the unvaccinated account for the majority of hospitalizations, even though he populations at greatest risk are already vaccinated.

Thus, unless you're going to give me specific numbers to show that the vaccine is not working, you're just making shit up based on how you feel.

So do you have SPECIFIC NUMBERS to show the ineffectiveness of the vaccine? Or are we done?

[–]noice 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Here's some more data. Can you wrap your head around multiple datasets? Draw conclusions?

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailytrendscases

[–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep, it's overwhelmingly the unvaccinated who are being hospitalized with COVID-19

[–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Did you read your own data? The majority of adults are vaccinated.

[–]thefirststone 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

Hospitalized as a result of the virus, or with it? I suspect the latter.

Local ICUs (which are nationally significant) claim about a third of ICU patients are "covid cases", yet that also doesn't tell whether they are there for trauma or for virus (all signs point to more than two thirds of those for trauma, who test positive). And more than three quarters are vaccinated.

None of these number are comparable. It's useless. What they report is who is immoral. What I want to know is, who suffered from immorality?

[–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

Hospitalized as a result of the virus, or with it? I suspect the latter.

So the Covid vaccine protects against other sources of illness? Or are you just stupid?

Because of people with the virus in the ICU, 99% of them are unvaccinated.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (22 children)

Or are you just stupid?

Name calling is low on the pyramid of debate and it's immaterial to your argument. Remember to leave it off next time.

[–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Got, it, you don't have an actual argument to make, you have anecdotes and feelings.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

I'm not the guy you're arguing with, my comment is only in regard to the rules.

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    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    strike 1 for low pyramid content. you will be banned on strike 3.

    [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

      Not everyone is a fan of argumentative, aggressive tools either. FYI, acting condescending on the internet and acting completely unreceptive towards other opinions while throwing around insults and pretending you're superior doesn't make you a man.

      [–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      You're right. I'm a man because I'm better than you.

      [–]monkey6 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

      He is a mental defective alcoholic.and a homo Preach bro.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

      Please refrain from low pyramid insulting. Prove your claims with quotations or some kind of evidence.