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[–]StillLessons[S] 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

There are more than a dozen good peer-reviewed citations referenced in this talk. Every citation is available for download. To argue this is misinformation means that all the articles cited here are also misinformation. Who do you believe? Unfortunately, the "authorities" have created scorched earth in what should be - in any rational world - the middle ground. Note who is creating the scorched earth; it's not the people saying the things this doctor is saying.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Great find, thank you so so so much. This is going to be very helpful in my circles, you have no idea. I can't believe they are spaced out like that though.

[–]FlippyKing 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

How do all the scientists tolerate the incompetence above them? I guess the quick answer is exactly the same as we do, but there has to be some repercussions for the incompetence of Fauci and all the rest.

[–]thefirststone 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Most of us don't live our lives begging for grants and giving glowing peer reviews to GPT-3 gibberish. Do not give these grifters the benefit of the doubt just because they've climbed through an academia that wants to castrate all men.

[–]FlippyKing 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree, but obviously the grifters recognize each other and it is a giant organized crime syndicate. That's what the whole intelligence/Epstein points to, promote people who will do what they're told and who are dumb enough to do Epstein-Island-type-things so they can be blackmailed or evil enough to do Epstein-Island-type-things to join the club. They want to make a sub species of people whose immune system can not function without a life time of constant jabs. I guess with all the automation, they imagine it will work out just fine for them.

[–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (48 children)

Rebuttal:

  1. The virus is small enough to pass through masks, but masks are effective in limiting the spread of respiratory droplets that carry the virus and are effective at preventing transmission. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536

  2. Immune systems don't get "sick or deranged".

  3. You can't do this because it's "already tried and can't be done" is literally the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Like, time cube levels of stupid.

  4. Flus and colds are literally different viruses every season, while coronavirus has remained the same virus. Scientists need to predict the flu virus before it happens to develop a vaccine.

  5. "No vaccine prevents you from getting an infection": True, but it does reduce risk. You don't rawdog random whores without a condom because condoms are "olny" 99% effective at preventing pregnancy and STDs. Risk reduction is importanr.

This doctor is literally insane. His arguments make absolutely no sense and have no basis in observed reality.

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    [–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    just that you're not even addressing what he said.

    Because what he said was nonsense that has no basis in reality.

    "We should give up trying to prevent COVID-19 and minimize deaths and transmissions because we can't 100% eliminate it" is a bullshit argument.

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      [–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      you can save more lives through treatment then vaccination?

      You can't if hospitals are overwhelmed with cases.

      Also again you really haven't established that what he says has no basis in reality

      Masks and vaccines are both effective in reducing the number of COVID cases, and vaccination greatly reduces the mortality rate of breakthrough cases.

      The "doctor" is implying that vaccination and masks have no effect, which is objectively false based on observations of data.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      He did not say this "We should give up trying to prevent COVID-19 and minimize deaths and transmissions because we can't 100% eliminate it"

      He never says that.

      [–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      That's literally what he's arguing about.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Not really, but if you are intent on being a shill, then ok, I guess you can misconstrue things in that way.

      I hear him referencing a data drive, making various counter arguments to the mainstream narrative, and basically saying at the end that there needs to be a lawsuit or some kind of public debate where trained individuals like himself can be allowed to share their own results from research and daily experience. I think he made arguments that you don't like to hear, like us not needing masks and vaccines, but too bad.

      I accept that there are doctors on both sides of the aisle who agree and don't agree with the narrative. I can read their works and come to my own conclusion, I'm sure his flash drive has information on there that a shill like you couldn't refute.

      The dude is willing to testify in court. He is willing to go down for the truth. He has more heart than Fauci, and I appreciate that.

      Your username makes you seem like a child raping priest, btw.

      [–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I'm sure his flash drive has information on there that a shill like you couldn't refute.

      "This is my argument, and I have evidence, but you can't see it and I won't discuss any of the actual evidence. I also won't use objective measures or refer to specifc numbers or mechanisims, then question the validity of any data presented without basis."

      -the antivax playbook

      [–]thefirststone 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (39 children)

      Coronaviruses cause a significant portion of colds, at least a quarter is what I've read. Fast mutation of corona and rhino viruses was always cited as the reason there would never be a vaccine for the common cold.

      The influenza virus moved slowly enough that an existing variant could be predicted to be the major one in the next season, and a vaccine used against that.

      Your logic is backwards.

      Also, the news claims hospitalized patients testing positive and vaccinated are one third or more (some places in Europe, it's over three quarters) of all ICU patients. Though I can't tell which of those were in the ICU because of the virus, and which were in there for other reasons. But the way it's presented so far doesn't support any risk reduction for the Delta Variant, if we believe the media.

      [–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (38 children)

      Also, the news claims hospitalized patients testing positive and vaccinated are one third or more

      In America, 95-99% of people hospitalized with Covid are unvaccinated.

      https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-data-from-the-states/

      [–]noice 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

      This is misleading due to the timeframe involved. Look at the time frames of sampling, consider the separation of fully vaccinated vs other (including status unknown), and look at the vaccination percentage over time from other data sources.

      [–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

      This is misleading due to the timeframe involved

      Vaccines have been out since January, you're full of shit babe.

      [–]noice 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

      [–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

      Yep, and 99% of COVID-19 hospitalizations are among the UNVACCINATED.

      Your argument is trash.

      [–]noice 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

      99% of covid hospitalizations are among the unvaccinated not fully vaccinated (that we know of)*

      * At a time when that applies to the majority of the population

      [–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      70% of US adults are vaccinated. Nice try though.

      [–]noice 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      Have you ever done calculus?

      [–]noice 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      Here's some more data. Can you wrap your head around multiple datasets? Draw conclusions?

      https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailytrendscases

      [–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Yep, it's overwhelmingly the unvaccinated who are being hospitalized with COVID-19

      [–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Did you read your own data? The majority of adults are vaccinated.

      [–]thefirststone 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

      Hospitalized as a result of the virus, or with it? I suspect the latter.

      Local ICUs (which are nationally significant) claim about a third of ICU patients are "covid cases", yet that also doesn't tell whether they are there for trauma or for virus (all signs point to more than two thirds of those for trauma, who test positive). And more than three quarters are vaccinated.

      None of these number are comparable. It's useless. What they report is who is immoral. What I want to know is, who suffered from immorality?

      [–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

      Hospitalized as a result of the virus, or with it? I suspect the latter.

      So the Covid vaccine protects against other sources of illness? Or are you just stupid?

      Because of people with the virus in the ICU, 99% of them are unvaccinated.

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (22 children)

      Or are you just stupid?

      Name calling is low on the pyramid of debate and it's immaterial to your argument. Remember to leave it off next time.

      [–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

      Got, it, you don't have an actual argument to make, you have anecdotes and feelings.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

      I'm not the guy you're arguing with, my comment is only in regard to the rules.

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        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

        strike 1 for low pyramid content. you will be banned on strike 3.

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

        Not everyone is a fan of argumentative, aggressive tools either. FYI, acting condescending on the internet and acting completely unreceptive towards other opinions while throwing around insults and pretending you're superior doesn't make you a man.

        [–]monkey6 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

        He is a mental defective alcoholic.and a homo Preach bro.