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[–]BigFatRetard 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

To be fair, one contraceptive method is 100% effective: Not having sex with someone you don't intend to have kids with.

Saying that might seem offensive to you since you've been told since birth that consequence-free sex is a civil right that must be held as more important than any other, but I'd like you to consider it from another standpoint: men don't have a choice to abort. If a condom breaks, or an iud fails, or even if a vasectomy comes undone (it has happened), that man can immediately lose a substantial amount of control over their bodies and their lives. Suddenly someone else has a decades long veto over which job they work at, where they live, how they choose to make their future.

For a lot of men, they choose not to have sex until they're ready to take responsibility for the potential consequences, because that's the only way to ensure they stay in control of their bodies.

Does this church of Satan employ anyone whose sole job is to advocate for men's right to legally abort in the case that a physical abortion does not occur? If so, my response is the same: this is their life's work?

[–]jelliknight 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

To be fair, one contraceptive method is 100% effective: Not having sex with someone you don't intend to have kids with

Women don't always get a say in whether or not they have sex.

If a condom breaks, or an iud fails, or even if a vasectomy comes undone (it has happened), that man can immediately lose a substantial amount of control over their bodies and their lives. Suddenly someone else has a decades long veto over which job they work at, where they live, how they choose to make their future.

No they dont. Thats not remotely true. You body is not controlled in any way by knocking another woman up. Hypothetically you might be asked to pay childsupport, but you can abdicate parental rights or just not do it. There's plenty of deadbeat dads proving you wrong every day. And "choose which job you work at?" get a grip. Move back into reality.

advocate for men's right to legally abort in the case that a physical abortion does not occur?

What? Are you saying a man should have the right to force an abortion on a woman? You're sick.

[–]BigFatRetard 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Man, you're in a completely different universe from reality.

If you're a man, I'm giving you a piece of advice here, get your head out of your ass and learn what the law is before you get fucked over, because you're not going to like reality if you have to deal with the law as it exists. There are a lot of good guys out there who are basically slaves because they thought things were fair and just when they simply aren't. Family law is the best argument for abstinence on our mother earth.

If you're a woman, I understand -- no need to know the rules when they're all stacked in your favor.

First, of course I'm not talking about rape. Don't be daft. For fucks sake, get a grip on yourself. Let's be real here, a majority of abortions are not caused by rape. They're caused by people who have a bunch of excuses why they don't want to use other forms of birth control.

Second, no, men can't just "Naw, I'm not doing it". Keeping in mind that courts around the world are different and jurisprudence and law can change from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, The courts have held that the rights of the child to be taken care of take precedent over the rights of the parents, so the father MUST pay. In fact, there have been cases where a man who is not the genetic father of a child is held to be the father of a child for the purposes of child support. There have been cases where a man is liable for child support to a woman they have never even slept with. The woman just named the man out of nowhere. Don't you think that in those case those men would just 'legally abort' the child by disavowing the child and not have to pay child support? They can't.

The courts DO have enforcement powers over this too, most people can't just not pay. Maybe for a welfare bum they don't need to pay because there's no way to get blood from a stone, but the you can get your wages garnished, potentially assets can be seized as well. Let's talk about a hypothetical where you are working hard at a really high end job -- well if the courts have said "you will pay X based on the fact that you have a really high end job", you can't just change jobs to something less stressful, they aren't going to just magically and automatically change child support to something you can afford. You're stuck doing that. As for going back to school, forget about it. You're not going to get a vacation on your mandated child support payments. You will work a job at least as good as you have now basically forever, and nobody cares if your child support obligations are such that you can't support yourself.

Now let's say that the guy isn't a deadbeat and wants to be in his child's life. Well at that point, family courts are biased towards women, so the likelihood of getting custody is minimal. Single father households are almost a statistical anomaly compared to single mother households in part because where there's a dispute the courts assume the kid is better with their mother regardless of their suitability as a mother. Guess who gets to choose where you live at that point?

Your last point is particularly offensive, because I clearly make a distinction between "Legal abortion" and "physical abortion" in the sentence you quote. Point is, men do NOT have the ability to "legally abort" a pregnancy, as in they cannot "abdicate parental rights" and not pay child support. That's just not true. The rights of the child come first, and with courts involved the father WILL support his child, even if he didn't want the child, even if it isn't is kid, in some rare cases even if he hasn't had sex with the mother.

[–]jelliknight 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

So how about YOU abstain from sex totally instead of infringing on womens bodily autonomy?

[–]BigFatRetard 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Uh.... That was my point. I did exactly that because of the risks involved. Don't want to face the consequences of having a kid, don't have sex with people you're not willing to have a kid with.

Given that fact, I don't really have any sympathy. I know nobody likes it when you hold women to the same standards as a man, but you'll have to forgive me for not really caring about giving women rights that a man doesn't have.