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[–]Tarsius 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree with where all of the global/historical empirical evidence points [...]

if you’re stuck on “poverty” being the cause, then here are some things to think about.

Why aren’t the Amish raping, murdering, robbing and assaulting like animals? Same question for whites during the Great Depression when they were dirt poor. Or the Japanese who came Straight out of internment camps dirt poor.

What about 'a mixture of reasons' do you not understand? Either way could you show me some of those empirical evidence? Here are some evidence for poverty being connected to crime:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7234816/

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137

https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/full-links-between-poverty-and-violent-crime

Also, during the time of the great depression crime rates soared

https://www.history.com/topics/great-depression/crime-in-the-great-depression

The Amish are obviously nonviolent because they have a nonviolent culture, are very communally oriented and look out for eachother.

They are violent for the same reason they were building dung huts at the same time the Romans were building coliseums. They’re different. And that difference isn’t compatible with western living.

We Germans were building mud huts while the Romans were building colliseums. We seem to have improved a lot since then, why shouldn't black people be able to do the same?

It’s interesting how unseriously you approach the problem solving part of it. For unclear reasons you’ve decided that the solution to the black violence must be very violent.

Keep in mind that I think you misdiagnosed the cause for the problem. I don't think black people are inherently violent and I don't need to tolerate anyone getting murdered for my worldview to be consistent.

I put the question how you intend to solve this problem nonviolently, I didn't decide that it must be that way, but it is very hard for me to imagine how that would ever work. How do you want to enact policies that keep 40 million people hell away from everyone else in the US without resorting to violence? Logically deporting millions of people will very likely lead to extreme violence.

Also keep in mind that most black people aren't violent. Are you also trying to hold all men accountable for our comparatively high homicide rates? Men do after all commit 89.5% of the murders in the US

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_crime#In_the_United_States

[–]justjoggin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s Amish culture

Correct. Humans can abstain from raping and murdering despite being “poor.”

I don't need to tolerate anyone getting murdered for my worldview to be consistent.

By your own logic, you do. Every single black crime like in the links above that takes place every single day until that magical moment when blacks are no longer “poor” (and therefore violent, according to you). Unless you’re saying you actually don’t care about black on everyone violence?

Great Depression

Even with the increase in mafia violence due to prohibition, whites during the Great Depression were nothing near, say the raping, murdering animal blacks in Chicago (or almost any predominantly black area in Western civilization) who have a much higher standard of living now than whites did then.

Germans were building mud huts while the Romans were building colliseums.

I misspoke. I meant blacks today, who weren’t blessed by white oppression, are still living in dung huts today (and practicing slavery for that matter) when whites were building coliseums 2000 years ago. Yes. Perhaps they’re genetically capable. And perhaps Whites are capable of being better than blacks at basketball and Asians are capable of being taller. Someday. Maybe. But policies are for today. Not a million years from now.

And there’s little to no evidence indicating that blacks can collectively even maintain much less build from scratch anything remotely resembling the West or the Far East. Best I could come up with is Nigeria. But that’s another conversation.

why shouldn't black people be able to do the same?

The question is, why should Whites have to have anything to do with that, especially in the form of suffering death, rape, assault, theft community blight, welfare drain, reduction of standards, etc while blacks take a stab at being civilized. Again, they’re not children. Whites could just say no and be fine.

How do you want to enact policies that keep 40 million people hell away from everyone else in the US without resorting to violence?

The same way we keep millions of drunk drivers off the road or from driving over the speed limit. Policy. It’s already been done. Segregation policies were the norm for 100 years. Whites were safe and happy. Blacks didn’t fit in. Now their unhappiness has simply been transferred to whites and called progress while Tyler Wingate’s skull is being stomped in by an African, and Harvard students seriously debate over whether “whites should kill themselves due to ‘privilege’.”

Logically deporting millions of people will very likely lead to extreme violence.

Deport is your word. But if, hypothetically that was necessary. It’s nice to see you’re still choosing the “Black violence on everyone” option (that is, until the day they’re no longer poor). You sound like you would have been a great Indian warrior selling out your tribe to the white man, just because. Very noble.

Also keep in mind that most black people aren't violent.

Most drunk drivers make it home safe. Still have a policy against it, and for good reason. Blacks are the drunk drivers of race.

Also, most cops aren’t abusive. Should we defund blacks?

Are you also trying to hold all men accountable for our comparatively high homicide rates?

Men are necessary.

So what’s your solution to hopefully minimize the death and destruction that black people are disproportionately causing until that time comes that blacks are sufficiently “not poor” and violent?