JK Rowling claims society is on brink of 'medical scandal' over transgender issues

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[–]72ndGender 21 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

The trans thing will quietly fizzle away after this peak is over. There is no way the medical industry admits to being wrong and takes on infinite legal liability.

That, or we have a revolution and trans people get executed or detransitioned if they are pro-op.

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A wave of lawsuits would be awesome. Tavistock should be sued out of existence, since we're on the topic of the UK with Rowling.

[–]ISaidWhatISaid 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

There will be no lolsuits because everyone is transitioning under informed consent nowadays, so they've signed away their right to sue.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Maybe. Sadly. There are some limitations to this, but I am no lawyer. For example, informed consent or not, you cannot sign yourself into slavery. Many contracts, AFAIK, are also void if you are deceived into signing them, but again I don't know if this is comparable in the legal world. That's an extreme and obvious case, of course, but I really have no idea how judges would rule in the future, given enough damage and given enough backlash. Could some of these people even give informed consent due to age or their mental conditions? You're a rape victim nowadays if you had a glass of wine and your enthusiastic consent from the night prior is null and naught, but if you are given a false bill of goods and get a frankenpenis or a dickgina, you have no basis to sue. It just doesn't seem consistent. Maybe true legally speaking, sadly, but not consistent.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed. And reddit has an entire sub dedicated to transition horrors of botched surgery, online suicide notes, etc.

[–]ISaidWhatISaid 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You should go and watch some interviews with the plastic surgeons that perform these surgeries, I have and these doctors are practically worshipped by their patients as demi-Gods. People have been transitioning for decades, in the past under even more questionable circumstances than we have today and there were never any massive lolsuits back then either. If there were going to be any lolsuits they would've happened already. The courts all over the world are overwhelmingly pro-trans and so is SCOTUS. I don't think any imaginary grand class action suit that will put an end to transitioning will ever happen. We're only going to see more and more extreme examples of grotesque and beyond-nightmarish transitions, detransitions and retransitions, transracialism, trans-age/age-reversal, trans-species with animal-looking parts grown out of genetically modified human tissue (because if you can do phalloplasty with an armskin tortilla, why not use the same technique to make a tail for some otherkin freak that wants one and has money?), it's only gonna get worse and worse. We're just seeing the beginning of this, but I think it's a pandora's box that cannot be closed. I think the greedy lawyers and doctors who paved the way for transgenderism are gonna love it because once you get into trans-species, you are literally creating new life forms that you can patent and own and the Intellectual Property lawyers are going to love the legal shitshow that will eventually cause. TL;DR lawyers and the courts will never be anti-trans because they have to much to gain from enabling this.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think it was also very different back then. You really had to personally be invested to go through with SRS. You wouldn't get a TV show about it and you wouldn't be pushed into it before you are even an adult.

[–]ISaidWhatISaid 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You wouldn't get a TV show Perhaps not a whole TV show but Christine Jorgensen was definitely a media sensation in her day and age. Media interest in trans people is not a recent thing. It goes all the way back to the freak shows with the bearded lady. What is new is cis people being expected to be fake-nice towards trans people, even while being genuinely repulsed by them. Society has decided that it's a great thing to force people to be fake-nice in the name of (fake-)tolerance and (non-)acceptance. Nevermind the fact that people aren't stupid, they know they're being pandered to and this only makes them feel more alienated and isolated because no one is telling them the truth straight up but they can sense it in the air and they can read it between the lines. Hearing what is unsaid it far worse than having it said outright.

It was very different back then. Those doctors may have been misguided but I think back then they genuinely thought they were helping people. Remember, this was at a time before secularism, when it was literally illegal to be gay and society was a lot more harsh, close-knit and judgemental than it is today. A lot of the transitioning requirements back then could not realistically be met in this day and age, there's too much entitlement, too much impatience, too much consumerism and too much of a blind trust in the medical establishment to fix any and every problem, pronto. There is no way you can realistically stealth while having a public profile and advertising your transition on all the social media for the whole world to see, even if the end result is "unclockable". Gender doctors almost want their patients to be out in the social media in order to use them as walking talking billboards to promote their plastic surgery services. It's very cynical and I have no hopes of this ever getting better, it's only going to get worse with ever more extreme surgeries and procedures. There will never be a "medical scandal" as JK Rowling claims because society wants to turn this into business as usual. If you have a shitty transition, SFW, just detrans and try again. Too much money to be made for anyone to hit the brakes.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hmm ... yeah I'm not sure. You definitely make some good arguments and with 80% or more certainty it's going to turn out the way you said.

[–]Riothamus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Calling something "informed consent" doesn't necessarily make it so. If the doctors withheld vital information regarding the efficacy of transition or the side effects in order to gain consent to the procedures, then there was no informed consent and the doctors could be held liable.

[–]ISaidWhatISaid 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Just because something unlawful happened doesn't mean the victim is able or willing to sue. Using the law is really expensive and trannies are generally poor. Organizations like the ACLU will not go after doctors, they're only busy fighting the culture war. Then there is the aspect I touched upon in my other comment, the fact that the online trans community worships doctors and treats them like demi-Gods. It has to do with the psychological attitudes of the online trans community towards the medical profession. If you read the trans subreddits, every time someone has a negative experience with a surgery, all the other trannies gather around and assure the botched victim that they just need to get even more surgery to fix the problems that the previous surgery caused. They brainwash each other to believe that human bodies can be endlessly assembled and disassembled and that every medical problem is fixable if you just throw enough money at it. Trans people are not going to take on the system that created them, they worship that system and believe it can do no wrong. They are extremely invested in maintaining the system and enabling others to transition because that's how they validate themselves, by reliving their experience over and over again through others. Look at what happens to trannies on Youtube that discuss their botched surgeries. The online trans community avoids them like the plague. Those botched trannies never have a million followers on Youtube or Instagram. People only want to see the surgeries that went well, not the botched examples. Everyone wants to be Jazz Jennings, if your first SRS fails, just have another one, just throwing more money and more surgery at your problems. Polysurgery is actively enabled and encouraged in the online trans community.

[–]Riothamus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm a lawyer. I was explaining the limitations of the informed consent doctrine. And paragraphs are your friends.

[–]ISaidWhatISaid 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sure, this is the internet so you are totally whatever you say you are, you will never be questioned about it and you are totally valid, everyone is a lawyer online until it's time for them to issue a legal disclaimer, LMAO. I have had nyms on Reddit insist that they are rocket scientists, chemistry wizards, when I queried them about it they said they actually have a friend of a friend who's a brain surgeon who just gave them a crash course on brain chemistry, etc. So glad to see this practice continues here on Saidit, we have a lot of brainpower here.

[–]Riothamus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Believe whatever the Hell you like, dude. Informed consent is covered in the first semester of torts in law school.