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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I wonder if there is another law pertaining to guns that look like guns but aren't. A water pistol, I know also nerf guns, years ago when I was a kid they had ones that looked more like real guns but they started making them look more colorful and fake.

[–]Yayme 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well, at a Federal Level, there was the case below. But it's a guy robbing a bank, not a guy defending his property, so obviously it's quite a different use of a fake or unloaded gun.

Arrest and trial of Lamont Julius McLaughlin

At approximately 9:30 a.m. on July 26, 1984 Lamont Julius McLaughlin and a companion entered a bank in Baltimore, Maryland wearing stocking masks and gloves.[7] McLaughlin "displayed a dark handgun" and ordered patrons to put their hands up.[7] McLaughlin's companion then jumped over the counter and placed approximately $3,400 in a brown paper bag.[7] When McLaughlin and his companion attempted to leave the bank, they were immediately apprehended by police.[7] Officers seized McLaughlin's gun, but discovered it was not loaded.[7] At trial, McLaughlin pleaded guilty to charges of bank robbery and bank larceny.[8] He was also found guilt of assault during a bank robbery “by the use of a dangerous weapon" based on the district court's determination that the unloaded gun was a "dangerous weapon" within the meaning of federal bank robbery statutes.[9] On appeal, the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit affirmed McLaughlin's conviction.[8] McLaughlin appealed again to the Supreme Court of the United States, which granted certiorari on November 4, 1985.[10]

Opinion of the Court

Writing for a unanimous court, Justice John Paul Stevens provided three reasons why an unloaded gun is a "dangerous weapon" under the federal bank robbery statute.[8] First, Justice Stevens argued that "the law reasonably may presume that such an article is always dangerous even though it may not be armed at a particular time or place."[8] Second, he argued that "the display of a gun instills fear in the average citizen," even if it is not loaded, and "creates an immediate danger that a violent response will ensue."[11] Third, he argued that an unloaded gun "can cause harm when used as a bludgeon."[12]

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah defending a home is different from using it to rob a bank. Definitely. It's like yelling fire in a crowded theater is not free speech, that can get people killed as they run out in fear, it's like terrorism. I can't go around waving a fake gun and pointing it at people and then say see it was fake you can't arrest me. I think the number one question in this case to ask is were those rioters threatening the people and their property or not. Doesn't matter if the woman's gun was fake or not. I think it must be entered into evidence at the trial that news reports of looters attacking businesses and killing people were common and the people holding the guns then had a real reason to feel threatened.