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[–]Yayme 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Whaaaaaat? It's the Missouri (where St. Louis is) statue on Unlawful Use of a Weapon. Which is what they're being charged with.

I have no idea how I can explain it better than that. And your smug little "Try again" isn't really helping.

If it were a felony to point a fake gun at people, all water pistols would be outlawed. All toy guns would be outlawed. Children playing cops and robbers would be committing felonies.

I don't understand your thinking here.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I wonder if there is another law pertaining to guns that look like guns but aren't. A water pistol, I know also nerf guns, years ago when I was a kid they had ones that looked more like real guns but they started making them look more colorful and fake.

[–]Yayme 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well, at a Federal Level, there was the case below. But it's a guy robbing a bank, not a guy defending his property, so obviously it's quite a different use of a fake or unloaded gun.

Arrest and trial of Lamont Julius McLaughlin

At approximately 9:30 a.m. on July 26, 1984 Lamont Julius McLaughlin and a companion entered a bank in Baltimore, Maryland wearing stocking masks and gloves.[7] McLaughlin "displayed a dark handgun" and ordered patrons to put their hands up.[7] McLaughlin's companion then jumped over the counter and placed approximately $3,400 in a brown paper bag.[7] When McLaughlin and his companion attempted to leave the bank, they were immediately apprehended by police.[7] Officers seized McLaughlin's gun, but discovered it was not loaded.[7] At trial, McLaughlin pleaded guilty to charges of bank robbery and bank larceny.[8] He was also found guilt of assault during a bank robbery “by the use of a dangerous weapon" based on the district court's determination that the unloaded gun was a "dangerous weapon" within the meaning of federal bank robbery statutes.[9] On appeal, the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit affirmed McLaughlin's conviction.[8] McLaughlin appealed again to the Supreme Court of the United States, which granted certiorari on November 4, 1985.[10]

Opinion of the Court

Writing for a unanimous court, Justice John Paul Stevens provided three reasons why an unloaded gun is a "dangerous weapon" under the federal bank robbery statute.[8] First, Justice Stevens argued that "the law reasonably may presume that such an article is always dangerous even though it may not be armed at a particular time or place."[8] Second, he argued that "the display of a gun instills fear in the average citizen," even if it is not loaded, and "creates an immediate danger that a violent response will ensue."[11] Third, he argued that an unloaded gun "can cause harm when used as a bludgeon."[12]

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah defending a home is different from using it to rob a bank. Definitely. It's like yelling fire in a crowded theater is not free speech, that can get people killed as they run out in fear, it's like terrorism. I can't go around waving a fake gun and pointing it at people and then say see it was fake you can't arrest me. I think the number one question in this case to ask is were those rioters threatening the people and their property or not. Doesn't matter if the woman's gun was fake or not. I think it must be entered into evidence at the trial that news reports of looters attacking businesses and killing people were common and the people holding the guns then had a real reason to feel threatened.

[–]C3P0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are right that the statute is the correct one if they were charged with that crime, but you still didn't answer the question directly.

[–]C3P0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You are right that the statute is the correct one if they were charged with that crime, but you still didn't answer the question directly (you seem to allude that you are of the opinion that it is not a felony).

[–]Yayme 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I feel like you're fucking with me at this point man, so I'm just going to leave you this link and call the conversation over on my part.

Non-powder & Toy Guns: State by State

Edit to add: I think I figured it out. You're not from the US are you?

[–]C3P0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Asia.

[–]Yayme 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ok. What I feel like you're trying to figure out is if it's a federal crime, not necessarily a felony. Like meaning it applies to everyone in the US.

States have different laws. Like, in Colorado marijuana is legal, and in other states in not. And in fact, it's still illegal at a federal level.

There are federal weapons laws, like laws about selling guns, or convicted felons having guns, or using gun committing some crimes. But I don't think, on a federal level, there is a law regarding pointing a non-working gun at someone.

And I think pointing a non-working gun at someone in order to scare them would be considered assault if anything, assuming you are not defending yourself with it. Assault is where you make someone think you're going to hurt them. Battery is where you actually hurt them. That's why people usually get charged with assault and battery.

But no, I don't think at a federal level, across all of the US, we have one law regarding pointing a non-working gun at someone. I think those laws are handled at a state level.

[–]C3P0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Got it. Also, maybe it is considered a death threat.