the problem with illegal immigration

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[–]Zahn 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Is it also fair and just for the FBI and CIA to subvert alternatives, foreign and domestic?

What do you mean by this?

Without that external pressure they'd flourish at home, not seek a life elsewhere.

Maybe, but that's pure speculation. Seems most who are infiltrating the border are low skilled. Even though they have the option of free education in their home countries, they'd rather risk life and limb to get paid the same to rake leaves in the US as they would being an actual college educated professional in their own country. Importing education adverse people is a good idea?

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

If foreign countries were allowed to develop without multinationals and the CIA fucking their shit up, then they might ultimately have the freedom to develop decentralized fair systems alternative to the centralized capitalist hierarchies. CIA don't want that.

It's not pure speculation. For the most part people don't want to leave their homes, families, culture, etc. (beyond short vacations). Refugees and migrants are forced to seek better lives via any alternative means possible, "legitimate" or not.

Each country has their own education pros and cons, so that point is moot. So too with the employment opportunities, and/or social efforts for poor dumb fucks.

I'm not saying we need to welcome them, but we don't need to shit on or abuse them. Better yet, how about we stop oppressing/exploiting them at home in their own countries.

[–]Zahn 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I don't necessarily disagree with you. Everything the ruling class does is a double edged sword to advance their agenda. As in, destabilize Latin America so crony American capitalists can easily exploit them and keep them diplomatically under their heel. And in the same swoop with this sword push low educated immigrants to invade the US, suppressing working class wages. While serving to be a Trojan horse to demographically undermine the US citizens "democracy" in the ruling classes favor.

However, most Americans don't know what's going on, nor would they be ok with it were they aware. This ubiquitous "we" you refer to that should stop doing harmful things is not "us" doing it. Clearly out of our control since decades of voting hasn't fixed anything and the main stream media mind fuck is worse than ever.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

100% true. I'm Canadian too, so "we" may be even more inappropriate.

Voting is a rigged joke, to give the illusion of a say, meanwhile take away one party and you've got a dictatorship. The bare minimum of "choice".

[–]HeyImSancho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And in the same swoop with this sword push low educated immigrants to invade the US, suppressing working class wages. While serving to be a Trojan horse to demographically undermine the US citizens "democracy" in the ruling classes favor.

BINGO,

[–]burst 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have something insightful to share with you, based on your dumb comment:

"Seems most who are Americans are low in tolerance. Even though they have the option of free education in their Country, they'd rather hate and evict people who get paid less to rake leaves in the US as they would being an actual college educated professional in their own country. Hating education adverse people is a scapegoat."