the problem with illegal immigration

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[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

Is it also fair and just for the FBI and CIA to subvert alternatives, foreign and domestic?

Without that external pressure they'd flourish at home, not seek a life elsewhere.

The entire matrix of systems is rigged - especially to those less fortunate, including any "illegals".

[–]Zahn 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Is it also fair and just for the FBI and CIA to subvert alternatives, foreign and domestic?

What do you mean by this?

Without that external pressure they'd flourish at home, not seek a life elsewhere.

Maybe, but that's pure speculation. Seems most who are infiltrating the border are low skilled. Even though they have the option of free education in their home countries, they'd rather risk life and limb to get paid the same to rake leaves in the US as they would being an actual college educated professional in their own country. Importing education adverse people is a good idea?

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

If foreign countries were allowed to develop without multinationals and the CIA fucking their shit up, then they might ultimately have the freedom to develop decentralized fair systems alternative to the centralized capitalist hierarchies. CIA don't want that.

It's not pure speculation. For the most part people don't want to leave their homes, families, culture, etc. (beyond short vacations). Refugees and migrants are forced to seek better lives via any alternative means possible, "legitimate" or not.

Each country has their own education pros and cons, so that point is moot. So too with the employment opportunities, and/or social efforts for poor dumb fucks.

I'm not saying we need to welcome them, but we don't need to shit on or abuse them. Better yet, how about we stop oppressing/exploiting them at home in their own countries.

[–]Zahn 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I don't necessarily disagree with you. Everything the ruling class does is a double edged sword to advance their agenda. As in, destabilize Latin America so crony American capitalists can easily exploit them and keep them diplomatically under their heel. And in the same swoop with this sword push low educated immigrants to invade the US, suppressing working class wages. While serving to be a Trojan horse to demographically undermine the US citizens "democracy" in the ruling classes favor.

However, most Americans don't know what's going on, nor would they be ok with it were they aware. This ubiquitous "we" you refer to that should stop doing harmful things is not "us" doing it. Clearly out of our control since decades of voting hasn't fixed anything and the main stream media mind fuck is worse than ever.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

100% true. I'm Canadian too, so "we" may be even more inappropriate.

Voting is a rigged joke, to give the illusion of a say, meanwhile take away one party and you've got a dictatorship. The bare minimum of "choice".

[–]HeyImSancho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And in the same swoop with this sword push low educated immigrants to invade the US, suppressing working class wages. While serving to be a Trojan horse to demographically undermine the US citizens "democracy" in the ruling classes favor.

BINGO,

[–]burst 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have something insightful to share with you, based on your dumb comment:

"Seems most who are Americans are low in tolerance. Even though they have the option of free education in their Country, they'd rather hate and evict people who get paid less to rake leaves in the US as they would being an actual college educated professional in their own country. Hating education adverse people is a scapegoat."

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

other countries should build a wall to keep out FBI and CIA I guess

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

There's no wall that can keep out their money.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

that makes no sense. Make a wall, also keep out their money, that is harder? Because the leaders of places like bolivia and Venezuela are corrupt and accept bribes? Same problem here in USA, our politcians accepting bribes from bankers and israel. Gotta stop that too, but we can chew gum and walk at the same time and keep out illegals. Definitely doesn't help to just allow all of these immoral and illegal crimes to go on. Poor logic.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There's no wall that can keep out corruption. People inside will sell out and people outside will buy in to affect change and rig things in their favour.

A wall won't do anything to the powers that be. A wall will only hinder poor people, and not very well.

All government everywhere is corrupt to many degrees. Bigger government and corporations have influence over the smaller governments.

YES! You are 100% correct about the corporatocracy - bankers, government, media etc AND Israel.

We can't effectively keep out "illegals" until we take down the CIA, banks, and Israel's influence - AND keep the corporatocracy from meddling in others' affairs. I don't know how.

The big crime corruption is FAAAAAAAR worse than the cumulative small crime. Also, small time criminals wouldn't stoop to crime if they had a fair chance.

Punch up, not down. Fight elites not each other. How? Fuck if I know, but punching down doesn't help.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

blocked for defeatism

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We can be defeated when we're dead.

[–]HeyImSancho 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Without that external pressure they'd flourish at home, not seek a life elsewhere.

"flourishing" is in the eyes of the beholder, and what you may see as a quick fix with puppy dogs, and ice cream usually takes a little more.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

"Takes a little more"? Like the way the CIA infiltrates and disrupts countless foreign elections and political systems.

Bolivia was doing better before they recently flipped everything there. So too with Venezuela. Honduras, basically everything south of Mexico, heck Mexico too. And that's just on this side of the world.

I don't know what you mean by puppy dogs and ice cream as I'm into neither.

[–]HeyImSancho 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

"Takes a little more"? Like the way the CIA infiltrates and disrupts countless foreign elections and political systems.

Bolivia was doing better before they recently flipped everything there. So too with Venezuela. Honduras, basically everything south of Mexico, heck Mexico too. And that's just on this side of the world.

I don't know what you mean by puppy dogs and ice cream as I'm into neither.

And you feel illegal immigration is justified exactly how when the corporations that were, and are behind that, don't like the American populace?

As far as the puppy dogs, and ice cream comment, have you lived in any of the communities you listed off? I've lived in a number of those countries south of the border, as well as worked construction in Texas with many of those same cultures present. There's a lot of infighting, and a LOT of cultural clashes with what's normal, and not normal.

So to be clear, I read, or interpret what you're saying as, 'since the multinational corporations in charge of the US Govt. are causing mischief in other countries, the American populace who's also the target of those same tyrants, must accept the consequences of said multinational corporations that don't like them as well???'

Is that close to what you're saying, or not, and if not then can you clearly explain what you think the future should for Americans?

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ah, you assume.

"you feel illegal immigration is justified"

I never said that at all. It doesn't have to be for or against.

If you are for decriminalizing drugs it doesn't mean you are an addict. It doesn't mean you do those drugs. It doesn't mean you want to legalize them all.

I'm not supporting the "illegals" nor am I supporting them. Above all, I am not against them or making them suffer worse than they already have it. I'm also for diffusing the weaponized division.

I have lived in Austin, Oakland, etc where there were "those guys" who live under the bridges, etc that stand around on the corner by the Home Depot waiting for day labour. That's hardly a life worth aspiring to, nor worth picking on.

Fighting those easy targets doesn't solve any of the problems they might bring.

I'm sorry I don't have a better answer/solution for you. If I did I might have whipped that out sooner. All I know is punching down is the way Empire trickles down. Compassion is the opposite.

#FightElitesNotEachOther

[–]HeyImSancho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've seen plenty of leftists, rightists, and centrists talk of love, and compassion, and all that beautiful jazz; yet ask them to define either of those, and it only goes to the depths of 'as seen on tv' in regards to what those words actually encompass. Consistently I've seen the definition of love, as 'people being happy', and the definition of compassion almost exclusively uses arguments similar to yours to justify; "oh just look at them, I feel sad for them, because they live differently than I do, and I cannot imagine living that way so they must be oppressed, lord have mercy on them!!!" I wonder how you define them? I will say, that seeing how you feel pity for people in regards to how they choose to live, or work isn't love, or compassion; it falls somewhat on the 'as seen on tv'. Why?

Well let me do some assuming! You equate those living under bridges as illegals and looking for work at Home Depot? Interesting to say the least, I've never ran into many homeless illegals living under bridges. Usually they as a small group at the least will rent a room...somewhere. Who do live under bridges historically, and most times I see anymore are homeless Americans. Whether due to drug addiction, mental illness, or whatever, they still chose that lifestyle( in my rating system we should help those at home before strangers; lets start with the homeless ). I think it's telling though to mix homeless in with illegals; why not throw in a transgender, or 'save the illegal drag queens living under the bridges, they've got rights too!'.

I mean, I see how you finished your last post, '#fightelitesnoteachother', but your fight the elites is exactly what the authoritarian state wants. Let me fix your hastag to what it really means #bend-over-and-take-it.

You do realize they fix elections all the time in Mexico simply by giving the poor trinkets, and you want to bring more of that to America?

[–]DffrntDrmmr 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't know what you mean by puppy dogs and ice cream as I'm into neither.

Or baseball, hotdogs and apple pie, either, it appears. :)

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You mean moose, maple syrup, and beavers, eh?