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[–]IamRedBeard 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

False Democrats. Throw 'em under the bus. You can not start doing the right thing only when the cameras are on you. That was Hillary Clinton's Fall down. Blame the Russians all you want but Hillary was a Democrat when it served her and just a politician when the cameras were off and us dems that weren't female could see it. Yea, I think Trump colluded - but that isnt the whole reason we lost.

We also lost because we were divided. Hillary had the Female "I want a lady president" vote. The rest of us knew she was shady and when she threw Bernie under the bus it divided the Democratic party harder than they want you to believe.

Even with the Russia issue - we could have won. Hillary fucked us by being a Democrat on paper and a shit politician first - and she divided us because she felt it was "Her Turn"

Joe Biden, Kamala Harris and other luke warm Democrats need to step the fuck aside.

Fuck Hillary, Joe Biden and Fuck Kamala Harris for being politicians first and Democrats on paper.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Blame the Russians all you want but

The Russians had nothing to do with it. If anyone is guilty of election meddling then look no further than the Democrats themselves.

Bernie won the primary by a landslide, while the Democrats rigged the votes/polls/ballots/media. There are mountains of unexamined evidence to support this assertion.

The only documents that suggest Russian involvement are the ones that the Democrats and FBI manufactured themselves. If there was concrete evidence then we'd have nuked them.

The Israelis meddled in the election, and no one is discussing that.

The problem with politics is the corporate control of both parties. Gerrymandering has entrenched them both.

Voting for either will produce more of there same. Vote independent.

Break up the duopoly.

[–]IamRedBeard 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/451803-russian-state-media-mocks-trumps-july-4-military-celebration-putins-america

I'm going to Have to disagree with you about the Russia thing.

Totally on board with everything else.

I think a lot of these other "radical" Democrats would run independent if they thought they could still get the votes.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Can you provide any evidence of Russian hacking?

[–]IamRedBeard 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Easy Peazy

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/13/us/politics/mueller-indictment-russian-intelligence-hacking.html

There is more, go dig. I have met you half way.

Article reads:

July 13, 2018

WASHINGTON — The special counsel investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election issued an indictment of 12 Russian intelligence officers on Friday in the hacking of the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton presidential campaign. The indictment came only three days before President Trump was planning to meet with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia in Helsinki, Finland.

The 29-page indictment is the most detailed accusation by the American government to date of the Russian government’s interference in the 2016 election, and it includes a litany of brazen Russian subterfuge operations meant to foment chaos in the months before Election Day.

From phishing attacks to gain access to Democratic operatives, to money laundering, to attempts to break into state elections boards, the indictment details a vigorous and complex effort by Russia’s top military intelligence service to sabotage the campaign of Mr. Trump’s Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton.

The timing of the indictment, by Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, added a jolt of tension to the already freighted atmosphere surrounding Mr. Trump’s meeting with Mr. Putin. It is all but certain to feed into the conspiratorial views held by the president and some of his allies that Mr. Mueller’s prosecutors are determined to undermine Mr. Trump’s designs for a rapprochement with Russia.

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SIGN UP The president has long expressed doubt that Russia was behind the 2016 attacks, and the 11-count indictment illustrates even more the distance between his skepticism and the nearly unanimous views of the intelligence and law enforcement agencies he leads.

“Free and fair elections are hard fought and contentious, and there will always be adversaries who work to exacerbate domestic differences and try to confuse, divide and conquer us,” Rod J. Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, said Friday during a news conference announcing the indictment.

“So long as we are united in our commitment to the shared values enshrined in the Constitution, they will not succeed,” he said.

It was a striking statement a day after Republican members of Congress, engaging in a shouting match during a hearing, attacked Peter Strzok, the F.B.I. agent who oversaw the early days of the Russia investigation, and questioned the integrity of the Justice Department for what they charged was bias against the president.

The announcement created a bizarre split screen on cable networks of the news conference at the Justice Department and the solemn pageant at Windsor Castle in England, where Mr. Trump and his wife, Melania, were reviewing royal guards with Queen Elizabeth II.

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Women Crash the Pool Party Russia has denied that its government had any role in hacking the presidential election, and on Friday, Mr. Trump said he would confront Mr. Putin directly. But the president said he did not expect his Russian counterpart to acknowledge it.

“I don’t think you’ll have any, ‘Gee, I did it, you got me,’” Mr. Trump said during a news conference hours before the indictment was announced. He added that there would not be any “Perry Mason” — a reference to the 1950s and 1960s courtroom TV drama in which Perry Mason, a criminal defense lawyer played by Raymond Burr, often got people to confess. “I will absolutely firmly ask the question.”

But Mr. Trump also said he believed that the focus on Russia’s election meddling and whether his campaign was involved were merely partisan issues that made it more difficult for him to establish closer ties with Mr. Putin.

The Kremlin agreed. A statement on Friday from Russia’s Foreign Ministry said that the indictment was meant to “spoil the atmosphere before the Russian-American summit.”

[Read the indictment here.]

After the indictment was announced, Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the Democratic leader, and others in his party called on Mr. Trump to cancel his one-on-one meeting with Mr. Putin.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

From phishing attacks to gain access to Democratic operatives, to money laundering, to attempts to break into state elections boards, the indictment details a vigorous and complex effort by Russia’s top military intelligence service to sabotage the campaign of Mr. Trump’s Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton.

These are allegations. There had been zero substance provided for any specific action by the Russians. Zero substance produced, because it's a hoax.

The main reason was to prevent Trump from establishing positive relations with Russia, which is in the interest of all life in the planet. The Democrats oppose normalizing actual Russian relations.

The "Russians" meddled in Bernie's campaign too, and by "Russians" I mean corporate Democrats. They're the real election fraudsters (this particular election cycle, anyways).

Well informed leftists acknowledge this.

Here's a link to an idiotic Democrat pundit, who has a decent clip from a Chomsky interview.
Chomsky BRILLIANTLY Dissects Trump, Democrats & RussiaGate

[–]dcjogger[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Does anyone get the feeling that the Uniparty has been bought off by the elites?

http://bunkerchan.xyz/dprk/

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

the Uniparty has been bought off by the elites?

The business party.

[–]dcjogger[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The USA is a bankrupt warmongering police state, but nothing will change because Americans think everything is just fine.

Americans scream Obama was an evil monster for embracing war, debt, and tyranny, but then Americans turn around and insist Trump is a holy god for supporting war, debt, and the police state.

Anyone who hates freedom, peace, and balanced budgets is a tool of the elites and a traitor.

[–]dcjogger[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Young people like to make fun of old people for loving freedom, but why the fuck should old people care?

The young people will be the ones who are going to be the ones suffering in the concentration camps.