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[–]HugodeCrevellier 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

They may need them ...
but even an armed citizenry will soon present no obstacle to tyranny,
as governments will increasingly transition to drones and other automated systems,
able to kill en masse, without courage or ability, from complete mechanized safety.

[–]SMCAB 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

That's already the case, and frankly has been for a long time. Even when all they had was tanks.

Guerilla warfare is a thing and will happen in many, many different scenarios. But........ when the rubber meets the road, the playing field between the govt. and the populace isn't equal like it was during the Revolutionary War.

Few people understand successful revolution tactics, and in this day and age, it has zero to do with violence.

[–]HugodeCrevellier 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

These are excellent points.

An important aspect of the USA and French revolutions
is that mass-production allowed the people
to basically have the same weapons (guns) as governments
and there were far more people than government mercenaries (police/army, etc), so ...

Before that, the expense and widescale unavailability of armour and quality weaponry
meant that e.g. a team of ten armoured knights on horseback could decimate entire villages of villeins,
something that helped prop-up feudalism.

We do now seem to be moving back towards some neo-feudal (but high-tech) situation.

Nonetheless, I wouldn't say that revolutions, or resistance to tyranny, has zero to do with violence.

[–]SMCAB 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I guess my point is, the govt. has an answer for violence. And not just an answer, but it gives them an excuse for their own violence. An excuse that would be accepted by the common useful idiot.

Look at the "peaceful protests." What was people's issue with it? Why were people okay with law enforcement pushing back even on peaceful people? Well it was teenagers with fireworks and BlackBloc behavior.

Why did they infiltrate Occupy with feds that were inciting violence? To create an answer for pushback and overreach.

J6 anyone?

The govt. does not have an answer for grandma's and children at the front, smiling at the cops/military and saying "we aren't paying the bills anymore." They are us too, and they need to be shown that.

To topple power, the pillars of power, or at least some of them, must be removed. Violence won't put a dent in one table leg.

[–]HugodeCrevellier 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Again, excellent points.

So, I guess that, though you're right on every point,
my own is that citizens must ... somehow ... fight to regain a balance of power
between themselves and the regimes/governments/bureaucracies
that claim to represent them, but more and more disingenuously.

I seem to agree with the old 'I'd rather a government fear its citizens than the other way around'.

[–]SMCAB 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't disagree at all, I just see that "fight" in a different context. Not a physical one, but a sacrificial one.

You know what, I don't think for one second or have any delusions that what I said is possible, but I do believe it to be the only one tactic that would work.

If you're interested, a lot of this is gone over in detail by a man called Gene Sharp. He has several books, and a documentary called How to Start a Revolution. He goes over the successful peaceful revolutions in the history of the world, and breaks down why he believes non-violent revolution is the key against western govt.

I agree with your last statement as well, and I firmly believe they aren't scared of me and my AR-15, or me and 1 million of me and our AR-15's. That's light work for them. I do however believe they are more scared of you and I having this conversation times a million.