New British government data showing mRNA vaccinated dying 52% more than unvaccinated - aka 1.5x accelerated death rate - global public health disaster

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[–]cunninglingus 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (12 children)

PLEASE don't spread this disinformation, which is being used politically to divide people and elect authroitarian anti-democracy assholes, and this results in significant harm to others (the unvaccinated have suffered much more than the vaccinated population). Campbell is famous for this, making £££££ with lies. He's debunked regularly. It's easy to see how he develops this disinformation with lies. Though vaccinated people could die of COVID, the vaccine is NOT the cause of those deaths. The vaccine helps the body build anti-bodies. That's all. (That process is helpful, not harmful.) Other factors associated with COVID cause death. We've discussed this many times on Saidit. Some of the responses to Campbell:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60145237

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/17/covid-misinformation-conspiracy-theories-ccdh-report

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqQC0tTECvQ

https://fullfact.org/health/john-campbell-youtube-singapore-children/

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/12/no-credible-evidence-covid-19-mrna-vaccines-dramatically-increase-heart-attack-risk-contrary-to-flawed-abstract/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUBJ5pgx92I

https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusUK/comments/tkogkc/dr_john_campbell/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber):

A popular misconception throughout the pandemic has been that deaths have been over-reported.[5] In January 2022, Campbell posted a video in which he cited figures from the British Office for National Statistics (ONS) and suggested that they showed deaths from COVID-19 were "much lower than mainstream media seems to have been intimating". He concentrated on a figure of 17,371 death certificates showing only COVID-19 as the cause of death. Within a few days, the video had been viewed over 1.5 million times.[28] It was shared by Conservative Party politician David Davis, who called it "excellent" and said that it was "disentangling the statistics",[5] while American comedian Jimmy Dore used it to claim that COVID-19 deaths had been over-reported and that the figures proved that the public had been victims of a "scaremongering campaign".[29] The ONS responded by debunking the claims as spurious and wrong.[30] An ONS spokesman said suggesting that the 17,000 figure "represents the real extent of deaths from the virus is both factually incorrect and highly misleading".[29] The official figure for COVID-19-related deaths in the UK for the period was over 175,000 at the time; in 140,000 of those cases, the underlying cause of death was listed as COVID-19.[5][31]

Spreading lies is destroying people's lives.

[–]Dragonerne 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

You didn't watch the video.

Though vaccinated people could die of COVID, the vaccine is NOT the cause of those deaths.

Why are the vaccinated dying more than the unvaccinated?

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

He's made a mistake with his numbers.

Possibly unintentionally.

His extrapolated deaths from the unvaccinated group are 45% light of historical UK annual deaths.

Prior to covid, we were seeing 600,000 deaths.https://www.statista.com/statistics/281488/number-of-deaths-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/

He reckons without vaccination it would be 334,000.

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

He hasn't made a mistake with his numbers. Please provide a debunking of his numbers.

What you're showing simply makes his numbers even more interesting. His question:

Why are the vaccinated dying more than the unvaccinated?

Is even more relevant and interesting in light of the historical deaths

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

He hasn't made a mistake with his numbers.

It looks a lot like it to me.

Please provide a debunking of his numbers.

He calculates that at the mortality of the unvaccinated, the number of deaths in the UK would be 334,000 per year (See the video at timestamp 1:20). But even before the extra deaths from Covid, the deaths were over 600,000 per year. (See the link in the comment to which you're replying)

There's something very wrong with his numbers.

Why are the vaccinated dying more than the unvaccinated?

If you don't get your numbers wrong the unvaccinated die more.

As to why, I would guess mostly fewer deaths due to CoVID in the vaccinated group. But the also contributing would be that the vaccinated are more likely to be more educated which is related to better off, and a whole host of other health benefits.

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It looks a lot like it to me.

Prove it

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Prior to covid 19 vaccinations, everyone was unvaccinated.

So empirical evidence shows that the annual deaths without vaccinations were 610,000 or so. This genius calculates 334,000.

He's wrong by about 45%.

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You Are assuming the groups Are comparable and randomized. They Arent. You failed science 101

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That's the deaths for the whole UK, not a sample.

If there's something about his unvaccinated group that makes them does at only half the rate of unvaccinated people prior to covid, then that the reason for the difference between his vaccinated and unvaccinated groups, and not the vaccination.

What am i missing?

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Exactly, and that's why I said it would be even more interesting to find out what that is