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[–]Zapped 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Yeah. I've changed my opinion on this case a couple of times after learning new evidence; some here on Saidit. Floyd was going to die anyway, but once he was in police custody, he became their problem. Sure, in my opinion, Floyd was responsible for being in that situation, but if he had died on the ground with Chauvin's knee in the small of his back instead of on his neck, Floyd's death would have stayed out of the national news.

[–]wristaction 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's not necessary to synthesize a middle path between two opposing viewpoints. Sometimes the truth is somewhere in between but other times it isn't.

To say that Floyd would've died anyway is to acknowledge that the entire premise of the Floyd martyrdom saga and the year of bolshevic terrorism it animated is false. To backtrack to the hypertechnical point that "once he was in police custody, he became their problem" is not sense or reason. It may be a concession to reality in the sense that indeed the Gorge Floyd martyr myth is the hegemonic narrative and you have little hope of changing it or forestalling its implications. But it doesn't serve truth or reason or sense.

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Now we're getting into hypothetical Ronald Opus suicide territory.

[–]wristaction 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How so?

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Are you familiar with this thought experiment? Someone jumps out of the 10th floor but on the way down is accidentally shot by someone else on a lower floor attempting their own suicide. Is it murder or suicide? Same with Floyd. Murder or overdose? Just because Floyd was going to die anyway doesn't absolve Chauvin of his responsibility of trying to keep Floyd alive. Not only that, but he sped up his death.

[–]wristaction 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

thought experiment

Sounds fun but nongermane.

The law protects the people we send out to deal with junkie garbage with qualified immunity.