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[–]Canbot 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The EU proved just how easily and quickly an unelected government becomes corrupt. It was a great dream, but it just can not exist in this world ruled by the corrupt.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yep. EU govt needs to be elected.

Same with the UN.

[–]Morphos1759[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The EU's old wounds have been exposed by coronavirus in a potentially fatal blow, France's former European affairs minister Elisabeth Guigou has warned.

[–]Soylent_absinthe 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Kill it with fire

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

people always talk about immigration and how it is good or bad based on economy or racism etc. But really the truth is we must halt immigration and it is an undeniable fact why: to stop spread of diseases. So why do you need a union of countries if immigration between them is to be stopped, you don't. This same reason might mean the end of the Union of States called USA. Can you imagine restricted travel between states. Maybe checkpoints at the border where they test you for corona. Unpersons that tested positive not allowed to travel.

[–]whistlepig 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I'm fairly certain that would be unconstitutional in the US. The union requires a freedom of movement between states. Not that constitutionality has always stopped the government before, but probably important to mention.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's why they're planning to break up the US.

It's called UN agenda 21.

Edit link: Burning Up NorCal for the Great Redwood Railway Trail Line ~ Boots and Delta Fires

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

you could say then that the civil war of 1860s was unconsitutional. Truth is constitutional power comes from barrel of a gun. Look at this lockdown right now. Pretty crazy. I know some theories about Trump where he is not the one to order the lockdown and let's governors of states do it because states rights allow them to but in reality it has been ordered from the top down. Because it would be unconstitutional for the federal govt to order businesses closed. Same happened in 1918 with spanish flu.

[–]whistlepig 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

you could say then that the civil war of 1860s was unconsitutional

yep. many have said that, but not because of freedom of movement between states. Just because states use to be able to leave the union if they decided to.

I agree with the rest of your comment. Not only the bit about the difference in state and federal law and their constitutions, but people are far more ignorant of their state constitutions. I've been trying to remedy that in the last few years, but I include myself with that criticism.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

yeah it's just that the constitution gets ignored a lot. Either overtly or thru loopholes. I remeber with the occupy wall st peacful protests. It got leaked that the department of homeland security and FBI was coordinating with mayors across the country who then had the local police crackdown on the camps and kick out the protestors. Did the federal govt halt peaceful protests, which would be unconstitutional, against the first amendment? No, not technically. But it happened nonetheless.

How about when they infiltrate protest movements with agent provacateurs. Or when NSA spies on us. If anyone whistleblows they get arrested for the espionage act of 1917 that does not let them defend themself. Govt can make whatever they want classified.

[–]whistlepig 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Totally agree. Not trying to argue its ok if they use some loop hole or just don't get get called on it by most of the public. Just pointing out a technicality in an effort to understand and clarify the differentiation and point out their motivation to muddy those waters by involving the states in their sick manipulative ways.

[–]FreeJulianAssange 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Best not to trust anything from this source. It is baseless propaganda. Most of the articles are pure wishful thinking from a rabid brexiteer.