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[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

A shill for what? Ukrainians?

Negating the support for one thing or group by noting that this would be a way of not supporting other groups is a common propaganda technique. And while we see raw videos of the bombing of innocent civilians in Ukraine, it's really mean of 29 Saiditors to vote in favor of this propaganda.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (18 children)

All lives matter, including the Russians you think are so evil.

A shill is an accomplice to a hawker, unknowingly or aware of the scheme.

The slaughter of ethnic Russians in Donbass should be talked about. The slaughter of Armenians in the recent conflict there should be talked about.

The fact that Zelensky is a closeted homosexual should be talked about, and the large number of Jews in power across the globe, I think even rabbis are talking about it.

Don't be a shill, please. I'm asking nicely here. Don't shill for globalists warmongerers. Putin is wrong. NATO is wrong.

Humans are wonderful creatures.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

These comments support Putin's war crimes. My response here is the same as my response to AXXA: https://saidit.net/s/memes/comments/910z/i_support_every_human/xahq

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

Your comments support NATOs warmongering. Why are you in support of NATO? Do you like the dead children in the ME, killed by US drones and missiles? Do you like ISIS, the out of control Muslim mercenaries hired by Mossad, on behalf of the US?

Or, are you just a anti-slav? If so, then what disgusting racism.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Your comments support NATOs warmongering. Why are you in support of NATO?

Noted here - https://saidit.net/s/memes/comments/910z/i_support_every_human/xahq - and easily explained as a way supporting the defense of the North Atlantic. Defence against tyrants is essential, also for the sake of Russians and Russian protestors of the war. Everyone knows most Russians are not to blame for this.

Do you like the dead children in the ME, killed by US drones and missiles?

This is not a reference to NATO.

Do you like ISIS, the out of control Muslim mercenaries hired by Mossad, on behalf of the US?

This is unrelated to my comments or the image, or NATO. (And no reasonable person supports ISIS, Mossad &c.)

Or, are you just a anti-slav? If so, then what disgusting racism.

Read again: https://saidit.net/s/memes/comments/910z/i_support_every_human/xahq You are "anti-Slav" if you support Putin's slaugtering of innocant Ukrainians like this, by saying that you don't support Ukraine, or the organzations that help Ukraine. And look at the information about the 10s of thousands of Russians who've been arrested and imprisoned and fined for proptesting. They do not support this image. They support their brothers and sisters in Ukraine.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

Wow, I've never seen someone shill so hard. You are skilled.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Again - am I shilling for Ukraine? I am respectfully answering your questions and countering your false accusations. If you don't want answers, don't ask.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

If you don't want to be told you are a POS shill, then don't shill.

You shill for the democrats and the globalists who fund them. Turn around and cry. Are you a British woman? You remind me of British women.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You don't know what a shill is. Or, if you do think you know what a shill is, rest assured that absolutely [no] one would ask me or someone to visit Saidit on their behalf.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

No*

[–]grassfed 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I don't think so, Jason and me called him out long ago

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I was once an active participant on here under a different handle.

u/socks is a forum slider. One of the best. It has many alts. Don't pretend otherwise.

u/JasonCarswell may be a fat old man, but he's an authentic person using this site. Socks reveals absolutely nothing about themselves, and has done nothing but make s/shitpostnews as well as run off many well intentioned users.

Moo.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If you want to pretend that you know any thing about me, bother to read my comment history. And my occasional comments have absolutely no impact on a forum or on Saidit. Hardly anyone bothers to comment on anything in Saidit, nor do they take me seriously. Nor should you, whoever you think you are.

[–]AXXA 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (9 children)

don't be a shill for NATO imperialism and bloodthirsty CIA warmongers

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

AXXA - look up what NATO did in Serbia to stop the war crimes there. Look up the history of the need for NATO. Look up raw videos of what's happeing in Ukraine. Look up the history of UN peacekeeping troops. Look up the right-wing 'all lives matter' campaign against minorities. There are few other circumstances where it's so bloody obvious what's happening with the slaughter of innocent civiliams in Ukraine. How dare anyone think this OP's image is appropriate in this context of war crimes. How dare anyone think: meh - I don't support any of them because war is bad. That's support for Putin, and support for war crimes. It's insane for 42 Saiditors to support these abuses. It's one of the worst aspects of Saidit. It's one of the reasons normal people see Saidit as as a bunch of "extremist schizo dumbasses". Many here don't understand or want to understand important humanitarian issues. There is absolutely nothing redeemable about it. Perhaps I could say this in a more polite manner, but it's better not to mince words. This is a low point in Saidit's history. It can't be clearer what's good and evil in this slaughter of innocent civilians. It can't be dismissed with oversimplifications like that in the OP's image. Fuck everything about it. Here's the crux of the fallacy of this image: if you support 'the people' then you support democracy, and you will support democratic counrties, and you will support organizations of those democratic countries (NATO, UN, &c), because if you don't support the approaches of those democratic countries to defend themselves against the war crimes of autocratic regimes, you not only help those tyrants commit war crimes, you also harm Russians, and the other people by spreading fallacious propaganda like this.

[–]hfxB0oyA 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

It can't be clearer what's good and evil

also:

oversimplifications

Dude, life is painted in shades of grey. Just because you or I say a thing, that does not make it the absolute correct statement.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I am not claiming to know anything. I've explained the faulty logic and propaganda value in this image. Logic, rather than knowledge, is all one needs to understand the image. (Eg: if you support 'the people', you would support Ukraine, NATO, UN &c. Not to do so is support for tyrants.)

[–]StillLessons 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

(Eg: if you support 'the people', you would support Ukraine, NATO, UN &c. Not to do so is support for tyrants.)

This is the meat of your argument: Ukraine [=the Zelensky government], NATO, UN, etc are the legitimate representatives of "the people", around the world.

That argument is being litigated over the past 14 years (I'm using the 2008 collapse of western financial markets as a point from which many people began to open their eyes that "the western system" absolutely serves itself at the expense of the citizens of those countries). You are arguing that the institutions you list represent "the good guys" and that anyone suspicious of them and of their motives is by definition "the bad guys". Yours is a simplistic and black-and-white argument, and there's now 14 years of evidence that it is wrong, in both the moral and objective senses of that word.

To say what Russia and Putin are doing is evil is simple. I agree. The argument comes when your side says Russia's attack was "unprovoked". I happen to agree that what the Russian security state is doing is wrong, both morally and practically. But it sure as hell wasn't unprovoked. NATO and the Davos set have been trying to get Putin and the Russian security state to take this bait for 8 years. They have now succeeded. Their motivations for provoking Russia to invade Ukraine are obvious: they want Russia to bleed itself out so they can re-establish the "slave Russia" of the 1990s, which was a very ugly time for average Russians, not for the oligarchs. They also want access to the natural resources of Ukraine (relatively untapped gas fields off of Crimea, for example), which would allow the Davos set to rid themselves of their obvious dependency on Russian energy resources.

The enemy of my enemy IS NOT MY FRIEND. Supporting NATO, etc is against our own interests, as freedom-seeking and peace-seeking citizens of the west. The biggest beneficiaries in the west of the past 3 weeks? Raytheon, Halliburton, etc. They are making serious bank. They do not represent me. I reject them completely.

There are two directions we can go from here: one, aim for peace and try to stop the bleeding, on all sides; two, escalate and make sure as many people die as possible, preferably into a future that has no end. I have never witnessed NATO seek the first direction, and I don't see you seeking it here.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks. I agree with most of this. Regarding attempts for peace, and negotiations, this is been a daily process since before the war with several major countries. Everyone naturally wants peace and have tried to keep Putin from invading, and have tried to arrange a withdrawal, and have tried to arrange safe corridors for civilians to leave. In all cases, Putin has continued to slaughter innocent civilians. The support for Ukraine is not support for more war. Quite the opposite. And regarding NATO, they were needed years ago to defend innocent civilians in the Serbian war. Search NATO Serbia.

[–]RMaf 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

gO BACK TO rEDDiT FooL

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Says the alt account coward

[–]RMaf 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

you kiss your mother with that mouth? I lol'd at your "facts". It's literally the same "tagline" shit you hear on CNN. Either you are a drone or just plain stupid, and you can't fix stupid.

[–]sluggish_test 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah yes, instead be a shill for Putin's imperialism.

[–]StillLessons 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

A shill for what? Ukrainians?

I repeat what I have said for weeks. You are conflating the Zelensky government with "Ukrainians". The Russian invasion is wrong. I'm happy to agree with you on that. But it is not a simple substitution to say that "to support the Zelensky government is to support Ukrainians." I personally know Ukrainians who do not support Zelensky, even in the face of the invasion. You are erasing their voices by equating support for the current Ukrainian government with support for "Ukrainians". It's not that simple.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am not really doing that. I've not mentioned Zelensky in my arguments. What's important is that there has been a process of removing pro-Russian corruption from government since 2014, with massive protests at that time. That has been a herocis process. So Zelensky emerges from this protest movement. Know how to make him a real hero? Invade Ukraine and slaughter thousands of innocent civilians. If his role in government was questioned earlier, it is however not questioned now, as he leads a powerful resistence against tyrany. Even those who didn't like him - just like those who didn't like the shithead, Churchill - will have to agree that he's at least doing his job, and can be compared with Churchill, in the fight against authoritarian tyrany. This for the people. Not the leadership.