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[–]Zapped 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (39 children)

It doesn't only pertain to liberals. Managing personal finance is a skill, just like any other life skill. We live in a time of cheap "stuff". The problem, I think, is over consumption, as your meme says. So many people don't understand that marketers are fighting to get you to spend your money on their wares, plus financiers are trying to get you to spend your future money on a lesser amount of their current money. This should be part of the school curriculum.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (31 children)

This. The post is partially projection from a sniveling cuck on 8chan or 16chan, thinking that he's figured out the 'left', from the confines of his mom's basement.

On Saidit and similar far-right user dominated sites would I be considered 'left', so perphaps I should note that only half of one of those descriptions applies to me.

[–]TheJamesRocket[S] 16 insightful - 9 fun16 insightful - 8 fun17 insightful - 9 fun -  (12 children)

You mad bro? LOL.

Looks like this meme hit a little too close to home for you.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Which part seems to indicate anger? I don't see any anger in the post. Perhaps: sniveling cuck? That's my usual 'term of endearment' for QBoogaloo MAGAtards. It's cutsie language to describe rapists, murders, frauds, pedos, fascists, American Taliban, gravy seals, traitors, and similar pussies. Nothing angry or mad about any of it. Merely descriptive. Regarding home, I mentioned that only half of one of the descriptions applies to me. LOL, I guess...

[–]TheJamesRocket[S] 12 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 5 fun -  (9 children)

It's cutsie language to describe rapists, murders, frauds, pedos, fascists, American Taliban, gravy seals, traitors, and similar pussies.

The fact that you can unironically believe ANY of those things are an accurate description of the average conservative shows how mentally unhinged you are. (And yes, it also hints that you harbor a deep, supressed rage against them) People like you are what is wrong with the political discourse in the U.S. today.

Your political party would quite literally put Americans in FEMA camps for engaging in wrongthink. Fact: Conservatives are not guilty of 90% of the imaginary crimes you accuse them of.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Seems my comments hit a little too close to home.

If you want to discuss politics, rather than LULZ, how's this?:

There are no "Conservatives" in the sense of the original meaning of that term, which addressed Eisenhower conservatives, well into the late 1970s. That's why it made sense to vote for Reagan in 1979. Conservatives were the good guys. They were the response to corrupt yellow dog liberals. After 4 years of Reagan, the Radical Republican was in a position to steal from Social Security, borrow from China, give themselves tax cuts, create Iran/Contra deals, destabilize governments abroad, run up the debt, funnel trillions into the Military Industrial Complex, establish lobbying as a legitimate way of getting money into politics, and many other corrupt developments that continue causing problems today. At last count, the Republican-led government put the US $27 trillion in debt, while also reducing taxes for the 1%. Guess who will pay for it? Wealth has been funneled toward the 1%, from the 99% gradually for the past 30 years, if not longer. What does income inequality to for the 99%. (It causes great suffering.) Who can we thank for this extreme income inequality that puts the US at a similar level as a 3rd world country in economic, educational, retirement, healthcare, environment, and so many other sectors? Radical Republicans. If you're not in the 1%, you're fucked.

[–]TheJamesRocket[S] 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

Seems my comments hit a little too close to home.

Its okay, I know that your triggered. How do I know? Because you're copying my words. They hurt your feelings, so you repeat them back in an attempt to hurt mine.

Little do you know, I have no feelings.

If you want to discuss politics, rather than LULZ, how's this?

You're obviously very sensitive about your politics. I was just taking a quick jab at liberals for their consumerism, and then you went full NPC by ranting about conservatives being murders, rapists, terrorists, etc.

We're not on Reddit, dude. Take it easy with the histrionics. You aren't getting any internet points by spouting off with your PC diatribe.

[–]RightousBob 9 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

Socks is a weak pharma/division shill who has taken up residence here to spread divisive narratives. Their comments are almost always reactionary and dismissive. They pigeon hole anyone that opposes mainstream narratives as being "maga" related. My feeling is that Socks was a poor shill elsewhere who got canned, banned or shunned for not following the flow chart close enough, and has now slithered their way over to Saidit. That, or they are here because Saidit represents many things that Retardit and Twatter oppose and they are trying to undermine the momentum that this site has gathered since the last great Purge. Finally I believe that your post did truly strike the core of what kind of person Socks is IRL. The stench of butt-hurt coming off their reaction is overwhelming. Well done enraging the NPC's!

[–]madcow-5 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

There's a few here, and you really do have to wonder if they just got demoted from someplace bigger.

[–]RightousBob 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I like to think that Saidit is the wild west rather than the minor leagues. Either way shills can eat shit and choke.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

OK - back to LULZ, is it?

Nothing in my language is triggered or angry. You don't have to spend so much time trying to psychoanalyse me. Comment or don't comment. (Keep in mind that we don't actually know one another, which is perhaps for the best.)

No - not sensitive about politics. Why do you assume others are so emotional? Projecting?

What is NPC?

Again - no histrionics in anything I've written. (Just descriptions.)

Why would I want internet points? (Feel free to look at my comment history if you want to see how much I try to earn internet points.)

Where in my notes is there a "PC diatribe"?

It seems you only have insults here. I cannot locate in your response any real arguments or counterpoints against what I've written. You seem to be concerned only with me, rather than what's written.

(One of the reasons I am at Saidit is to see how intial debates will sometimes devolve into these obsessions with the other user, rather than continue the pyramid of debate. If you wish to return to the pyramid of debate, respond with an argument, rather than what you have here.)

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

What is NPC?

Non Player Character. Originally from Dungeons and Dragons, and commonly used in video games.

As in they're not a real person, ya know. And it's easy to fall into that kind of thinking. To just assume Bob the gas station attendant just exists to sell you gas and doesn't have a meaningful existence outside that role.

It's a mentally unbalanced worldview and although I struggle with it myself, at least I know it's nuts.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks. One would think that one of the Redditors' problems that Saiditors would like to escape is the incessant comparison over there with games and cartoons. After the Digg invasion years ago (2010?), the majority of engagement on Reddit seemed to be at the age of 13. Everything was - and often still is - filtered through cultural infantilism. Shortly after 2010, /r/Politics was removed from /r/all, and one could see that as a sign of things to come - that the news aggregation site where one could discuss politics and world news would become a LULZ site (eg. what's now on /r/all). As for NPC, it makes no sense in a debate. Perhaps it's only meant to be an insult, an ad hominem, albeit unfounded for real-world discussions.

[–]Akali 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He doesn'T seem mad in his comment though.

[–]Chipit 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

A lot of what determines your political orientation is biological temperament far more than people realize. Leftists are high in a trait called Openness, which is one of the big five personality traits. It's associated with interest in abstraction, interest in aesthetics. It's the best predictor of leftist political leanings and they're low in Conscientiousness which is dutifulness and orderliness in particular. Whereas conservatives are the opposite. They're high in Conscientiousness - dutiful and orderly - and they're low in Openness and that makes them really good at running things, building, and saving money. On the other hand if you love constant novelty it's going to be hard to stop spending money. What, you should stop yourself from feeling good right now?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Thanks. If only it were that simple. More about partisan values here:

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2019/10/10/the-partisan-landscape-and-views-of-the-parties/

Another problem is the polarization of the discourse, which helps the most aggressive party.

My main concern is that 'conservatism' (Eg. Eisenhower conservatism) is dead in the US, and that Radical Republicans (and some Dems) have made the US government much more of a profit-making venture, not seen since c. 1900. They're gleaning the 99%.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Uh...you know that the Republican party despises most of the American people, right? The Romney wing has much more in common with the Democrats and would be fine with coming in a perpetual second place as long as they got a seat at the table. Pew Research are confirmed Trump-haters and structure their questions appropriately, which makes their results worthless.

Of course we can't do that "we're all Americans here" with the left because the left utterly despises anything painted red, white and blue. We are The Other to them. Here's a great essay that lays it out better than I could: http://archive.is/QRJ6m

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Thank you for this. Trying to understand the article and other approaches of the Slate Star Codex takes a while, especially because the essay and other associated essays never seem to develop explicit axioms. There is just a continuation of arguments. Among the main points I could grasp, there were some issues that remind me of my reading of Tzvetan Todorov's arguments in the 'National Review' in the 1980s, regarding nationalism, totalitarianism &c. I also located a favorable assessment here: https://reason.com/2021/02/15/what-the-new-york-times-hit-piece-on-slate-star-codex-says-about-media-gatekeeping/ I'll keep looking. I just wish the author were more explicit and organized. Regarding the 'outgroup', I agree with some of the points about its use as an excuse for some. Traditional terminology for this - by Foucault and others - is to call this outgroup the "other". So if I agree with any of the points about the outgroup, its that the ingroup should be open to its inclusion and the inclusion of the 'other', though without discriminating against the ingroup.

[–]Chipit 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

That isn't what happens, though. The American left utterly hates the right because the right is The Other. That's the source of polarization and why we have so many problems.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The 'other' I (and Foucault &c) refer to are the marginalized, under-represented, foreign, alien &c. Yes, Tump supporters are a minority, though in terms of race, they're part of the majority. They're normally not considered the 'other' by the left, or by themselves. They are the 'freedom fighters' who want to protect the predominantly white "ingroup" and would not see themselves as part of the "outgroup" which are recent immigrants, blacks, hispanics, LGBTQ+, liberals, commies, kikes, Chinese, &c. That's at least how I've seen the MAGA approaches. They think they're making America American, when in fact every policy and approach during the past 4 years was specifically anti-American. Now one can start to see America become American again.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The 'other' I (and Foucault &c) refer to are the marginalized, under-represented, foreign, alien &c.

Those are the left's ingroups - i.e. the right's outgroups. It's all explained in that essay.

They're normally not considered the 'other' by the left

Sure they are. Why do you think the left allied with Islam after 9/11? Makes perfect sense.

They think they're making America American, when in fact every policy and approach during the past 4 years was specifically anti-American.

LOL you're doing it right now. Treating your fellow Americans as The Other.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Thanks - but all of this is remarkably oversimplified.

If for example I say an executive order by Trump is UnAmerican or Anti-American, my reference can be to American tradition, rather than to assumptions of an ingroup or outgroup. This isn't "othering" Trump (for exmample), but notes that the policy is itself at odds with our National Identity. Indeed, the policy threatens to disenfranchise many in the US, in that case. This is not about the person, but about the destruction of something essential to the 99%. Would a policy be part of an outgroup? No, seems not. Also this:

the left allied with Islam after 9/11

This is absolutely false. It's disinformation.

[–]copenseethe 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That makes sense. It would explain why people that create quality art, whether visual arts, theater or music, tend to be left leaning politically. Art created by conservatives tends to be crappy and low-brow IMO.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

See? There's the sneering contempt I was talking about. Thanks for the backup!

[–]copenseethe 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I wasn't trying to be hostile. I am politically conservative but have noticed that there is less quality art coming from right wing artists.

[–]Comatoast 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Any artist smart enough wouldn't declare their political affiliations if they were right wing, not these days. I wouldn't know if I've ever seen recent artby anyone right leaning, come to think of it.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's because of personality traits that predispose some people to some talents and some to others.

Can you even name a right wing artist? Such a person would be unemployable and likely attacked on sight at any gathering of artists.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It's just a meme!

[–]madcow-5 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Agreed. People have been saying they should teach personal finance in schools since I was a child, but apparently it never happens.

[–]just_lesbian_things 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

We had an afternoon workshop with a tax form. But what is there to know about personal finance? All the information is available online. The most complicated concept is exponential growth in terms of investments and compound interests and maybe percentages in terms of inflation and tax. The most immediate stuff is just addition and subtraction. The rest is self control. People can't do that, won't look up basic information, and then complain about not getting hand held and spoon-fed. If you can't think for yourself, you're going to get fucked over, because nobody else is going to be looking out for your best interest.

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I have faith in people. I've had mentors who have helped me along the way and now I'm in a position where I can mentor. There is no handbook that you are given when you pop out of the womb. Finance and numbers don't come easy to a lot of people. That doesn't mean they're lazy. I have a friend who is an accountant and she reads financial statements like the Nebuchadnezzar crew reads code in The Matrix. That is a skill that takes years of education. So, someone who has instant versus delayed gratification tendencies may have trouble learning budgeting or opportunity costs on their own.

[–]just_lesbian_things 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have a friend who is an accountant and she reads financial statements like the Nebuchadnezzar crew reads code in The Matrix.

You don't have to be that good to do basic budgeting and not overspend. I don't even look at my financial statements unless there's a problem. I know the general ballpark of how much I spend per month and make sure to keep it below my paycheck, keep an emergency fund, and send the surplus to my investment portfolio at the end of the month. Is there really all that much more to do?

[–]Zapped 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good for you! Not everyone gets it that easily. It's common sense for some. Some people are better in social settings and communication. Some are better at leading. Some are better at looking ahead. We all have our strengths and weaknesses, as well as different wants and needs.

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I remember home economics classes, but they had stopped teaching how to balance a checkbook by then. They should have lessons on budgeting opportunity costs.

[–]bjam27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Found the broke liberal whiner ^