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[–]masterclass 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Who cares what it says. Did it ever occur to you anonymous propagandists might misrepresent themselves? Dont be so naive. Why would real lefty's smear Muslims? It's obviously neocon/zionist Jews behind the meme. They are the only ones obsessed with hating both Muslims and Nazis and trying to tie them together.

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    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    yeah a true liberal would be anti muslim. Islam is very rw, controlling women, they are anti gay, their countries are run by ultra rich families. Some of them were socialist like Saddam Hussein or Gaddafi but of course they were taken out with help from the rw US govt.

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      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      so yeah back to this thread with the hitler meme, why might magnora want to censor it, I guess just because they wouldn't want rwers knowing that the nazis were allies with the muslims, or at least that Hitler wanted them to be. Uusally here in the USA rwers are the ones that seem to hate the muslims the most, mainly because they did 9/11. For one thing they really didn't, it was done by israelis and the CIA. Then blamed on muslims for an excuse to invade iraq and take oil. But also, if true liberals are the ones to be anti muslim, why is it that democrats seem to support muslims so much and want to let them into the country as immigrants? Because democrats aren't really liberals. Just another side of the single right wing party. With trump, they just kind of put immigration on a timeout but they knew it was for just 4 years. That was to rehabilitate the democratic party because Obama had almost destroyed it with his conservative sellouts. How to get people to support democrats again, need someone to act nutty like Trump. It's all a big conspiracy with the two parties taking turns with power but not changing anything of note.

      [–]wristaction 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It baffles me how anyone can believe that if you hold genuinely leftist values ... you could be anything but staunchly opposed to Islamism...

      What's baffling about it? Muslims are not Christian and they're not often white. If you politics are a beard for your juvenile hatred of dad or a beard for your tribe's ancient race hatred of whites, accommodating Islam is just another way to position yourself diametrically opposed to the objects of your hatred.

      [–]masterclass 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

      What are you claiming, the Chinese made this meme? lmao. You apparently know little to nothing about modern day western lefties. To them Muslims are oppressed brown people, victims of western imperialism and Zionist/neocon war mongering etc etc. They would never attack Muslims in this manner.

      This has all the hallmarks of JIDF/ADL style shilling, in this case targeted towards the left. Their dream is to get lefties to hate both "nazis" AND Muslims, and thereby be sympathetic with both Israel and Jews overall, something they've been trying for years with no real success. I used to be a lefty, I know very well how the game is played and so do many lefties. They saw what happened to Jeremy Corbyn and know who was behind it.

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        [–]masterclass 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

        The fact YOU think “real” lefties are zionists does not make it so. The far left had been anti Israel and pro Palestine/arab for quite some time.

        Once the liberal establishment media began pushing woke politics some of the less hardcore lefties, the fashion lefties as u call them, adopted that as their worldview. The woke establishment media ignored israel and palestine and focused on blacks and “immigrants” hence the fashion lefties did the same, but hardcore lefties never stopped supporting the palestinians and hating israel/neocons. Which is partially why I know this meme is the work of shills.

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          [–]masterclass 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          I will add this. While I may believe your motives in expressing this meme are suspect, you should have every right to post it. I believe in freedom of speech and if someone doesnt like something they are free to either ignore it or refute it, a concept our modern day neoliberal elites seem oblivious to.

          The problem is that some of the people objecting to this meme being censored have screeched at magnora for more censorship when the memes or posts in question hit too close to home or is something they dont like. At the same time they were screeching this site was kicked off a previous server and faced a slew of DDOS attacks, something which probably isnt coincidence. So either they are for free speech or they arent, and its obvious they arent.

          [–]masterclass 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Yesterday I saw an interesting exchange around here of one user accusing the other of being a shill. When latter objected that he/she doesn't get paid for arguing what he/she argues, the accuser moved the goal-post and re-defined shill as anyone getting ANY KIND of gratification.

          A shill is someone that misrepresents themselves for propaganda purposes, usually in an attempt to subvert, coopt, or astroturf. So you can have freelancer shills, and in fact most shills on sites like reddit, 4chan etc are probably just hobbyists.

          Having said that, there definitely are highly organized/professional zionist shills. This is well known and has been well documented by both the left and right. The JIDF or whatever they are calling themselves these days isnt just some made up conspiracy. You can see videos and recruitment attempts with them laying out their goals and tactics. One of their biggest targets of concern is the left and the worry that woke leftism will metastasize from targeting whites in the west, to aggressively targeting Israel, with far left anti zionists leading the way. It's a legitimate concern and probably inevitable tbh. They are less concerned about establishment lefties(fashion lefties) because the mainstream media and big tech can usually steer them in the right direction. More concerning for them is the far left that doesnt always follow mainstream media sources, and so that's where the astroturfing and shilling comes in, and this is a classic example. Neocons/Zionists have long tried to conflate Muslim critics of Israel with Nazis, so this meme is exactly what they've been saying, the only difference being someone hilariously stamped "iron left" at the bottom.

          One of the things the JIDF and similar zionist groups have plainly stated is that when shilling(of course they never call it that), one should attempt to first establish that you are a card carrying member of the group, and can be trusted. This might take some time and you may have to pretend to criticize that which you are shilling for at times. Once this is established you can begin steering it in directions you like, especially when you flood it with other co-shills and in some cases bots that can mass upvote, downvote, and even post, thereby exerting phony peer pressure. It's not rocket science. It's no more complicated than what high school girls sometimes do to each other, but it can be effective.

          Really though, the whole left wing right wing thing is a joke that over simplifies reality and presents a false paradigm. The alt right generally refers to it as the kosher sandwich, and I cant think of a better description. Maybe at one time there seemed to be concrete differences, but hindsight proved that even that was largely an illusion. Now it's just meaningless branding. George Orwell discovered this a long time ago.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          yep the only people in US govt politics that are anti Israel are the squad members like Omar. Why is the guy using literally only strawmen to argue?