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    [–][deleted] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

    When and how was it censored?

    The quotation is Albert Speer's quotation of Hitler, from 'Inside the Third Reich'. Hitler was discussing the potential of an Islamicized Germany, if the Battle of Tours had been lost in the 8th century. He indicated that Islamicized Germans would have kicket out the racially inferior Arabs (and others), and would have benefitted from the superior 'Mohammedan religion' in much the same way the Japanese had benefitted from a superior religion that included their willingness to sacrifice themselves for their country.

    More info: https://www.jstor.org/stable/43965266

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      [–]VirgilGriff 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

      I have a positive stance towards Hitler now

      [–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Ah, I remember that post. The urge to censor these days is really out of control. Ha, or more in control than ever... Can't allow people to have open discussions and debate ideas.

      [–]asterias 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

      He indicated that Islamicized Germans would have kicket out the racially inferior Arabs

      Which is not what would have happened, because under Ottomans (a favourite of the German fascination) every citizen identified as muslim and the rest were slaves, a concept similar to the goyim one, and there was not a concept of racial identity. The Ottoman sultan was recognized as a "caliph" After the Ottoman Empire fell, a cryptojew (Kemal) took reign over Turkey and became Hitler's idol, which is quite ironic:

      https://saidit.net/s/Greece/comments/7dwy/kemal_atat%C3%BCrk_in_the_nazi_imagination/

      https://saidit.net/s/Greece/comments/4f53/why_wont_israel_acknowledge_the_armenian_genocide/

      https://saidit.net/s/Greece/comments/4ej9/jewish_young_turks_and_the_greek_genocide/

      Under Kemal, the initial concept changed and everyone living in Turkey had to identify as a "Turk" no matter what his actual race was, otherwise he was eligible for extermination, a policy that continued well after Kemal's death:

      https://saidit.net/s/Greece/comments/5bmm/september_67_1955_turkeys_kristallnacht/

      The difference is that Kemal got away with his crimes, while Hitler who just tried to imitate him is presented as "the definition of evil".

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        [–]asterias 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        Hitler's policy was that children who were considered "genetically worthy" would be given to German parents to be raised as Germans, which is an imitation of the Turkish policy of removing children from their families to be raised as "Turks". The Turks decimated the Balkans and Anatolia from the most robust and beautiful children, but never used this practice on gypsies or Africans.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Thanks for this, and thanks, /u/asterias

        [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        A+

        [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        There's literally an axis history post. Post anything you want on the a is powers even revisionist history.

        [–]Entropick 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

        SO basically JIDF and whatever orgs are used to ruin public forums are happening here now. Cool.

        [–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Be alert from those pedos!

        [–]masterclass 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

        What point is this meme trying to make exactly?

        I'm guessing it's some neocon trying to tie white nationalists to Islamists, which Neocons have been trying to lately in order to target wrong thinking whites in their new domestic "war on terror".

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          [–]masterclass 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

          Who cares what it says. Did it ever occur to you anonymous propagandists might misrepresent themselves? Dont be so naive. Why would real lefty's smear Muslims? It's obviously neocon/zionist Jews behind the meme. They are the only ones obsessed with hating both Muslims and Nazis and trying to tie them together.

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            [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

            yeah a true liberal would be anti muslim. Islam is very rw, controlling women, they are anti gay, their countries are run by ultra rich families. Some of them were socialist like Saddam Hussein or Gaddafi but of course they were taken out with help from the rw US govt.

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              [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              so yeah back to this thread with the hitler meme, why might magnora want to censor it, I guess just because they wouldn't want rwers knowing that the nazis were allies with the muslims, or at least that Hitler wanted them to be. Uusally here in the USA rwers are the ones that seem to hate the muslims the most, mainly because they did 9/11. For one thing they really didn't, it was done by israelis and the CIA. Then blamed on muslims for an excuse to invade iraq and take oil. But also, if true liberals are the ones to be anti muslim, why is it that democrats seem to support muslims so much and want to let them into the country as immigrants? Because democrats aren't really liberals. Just another side of the single right wing party. With trump, they just kind of put immigration on a timeout but they knew it was for just 4 years. That was to rehabilitate the democratic party because Obama had almost destroyed it with his conservative sellouts. How to get people to support democrats again, need someone to act nutty like Trump. It's all a big conspiracy with the two parties taking turns with power but not changing anything of note.

              [–]wristaction 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              It baffles me how anyone can believe that if you hold genuinely leftist values ... you could be anything but staunchly opposed to Islamism...

              What's baffling about it? Muslims are not Christian and they're not often white. If you politics are a beard for your juvenile hatred of dad or a beard for your tribe's ancient race hatred of whites, accommodating Islam is just another way to position yourself diametrically opposed to the objects of your hatred.

              [–]masterclass 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

              What are you claiming, the Chinese made this meme? lmao. You apparently know little to nothing about modern day western lefties. To them Muslims are oppressed brown people, victims of western imperialism and Zionist/neocon war mongering etc etc. They would never attack Muslims in this manner.

              This has all the hallmarks of JIDF/ADL style shilling, in this case targeted towards the left. Their dream is to get lefties to hate both "nazis" AND Muslims, and thereby be sympathetic with both Israel and Jews overall, something they've been trying for years with no real success. I used to be a lefty, I know very well how the game is played and so do many lefties. They saw what happened to Jeremy Corbyn and know who was behind it.

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                [–]masterclass 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

                The fact YOU think “real” lefties are zionists does not make it so. The far left had been anti Israel and pro Palestine/arab for quite some time.

                Once the liberal establishment media began pushing woke politics some of the less hardcore lefties, the fashion lefties as u call them, adopted that as their worldview. The woke establishment media ignored israel and palestine and focused on blacks and “immigrants” hence the fashion lefties did the same, but hardcore lefties never stopped supporting the palestinians and hating israel/neocons. Which is partially why I know this meme is the work of shills.

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                  [–]masterclass 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  I will add this. While I may believe your motives in expressing this meme are suspect, you should have every right to post it. I believe in freedom of speech and if someone doesnt like something they are free to either ignore it or refute it, a concept our modern day neoliberal elites seem oblivious to.

                  The problem is that some of the people objecting to this meme being censored have screeched at magnora for more censorship when the memes or posts in question hit too close to home or is something they dont like. At the same time they were screeching this site was kicked off a previous server and faced a slew of DDOS attacks, something which probably isnt coincidence. So either they are for free speech or they arent, and its obvious they arent.

                  [–]masterclass 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  Yesterday I saw an interesting exchange around here of one user accusing the other of being a shill. When latter objected that he/she doesn't get paid for arguing what he/she argues, the accuser moved the goal-post and re-defined shill as anyone getting ANY KIND of gratification.

                  A shill is someone that misrepresents themselves for propaganda purposes, usually in an attempt to subvert, coopt, or astroturf. So you can have freelancer shills, and in fact most shills on sites like reddit, 4chan etc are probably just hobbyists.

                  Having said that, there definitely are highly organized/professional zionist shills. This is well known and has been well documented by both the left and right. The JIDF or whatever they are calling themselves these days isnt just some made up conspiracy. You can see videos and recruitment attempts with them laying out their goals and tactics. One of their biggest targets of concern is the left and the worry that woke leftism will metastasize from targeting whites in the west, to aggressively targeting Israel, with far left anti zionists leading the way. It's a legitimate concern and probably inevitable tbh. They are less concerned about establishment lefties(fashion lefties) because the mainstream media and big tech can usually steer them in the right direction. More concerning for them is the far left that doesnt always follow mainstream media sources, and so that's where the astroturfing and shilling comes in, and this is a classic example. Neocons/Zionists have long tried to conflate Muslim critics of Israel with Nazis, so this meme is exactly what they've been saying, the only difference being someone hilariously stamped "iron left" at the bottom.

                  One of the things the JIDF and similar zionist groups have plainly stated is that when shilling(of course they never call it that), one should attempt to first establish that you are a card carrying member of the group, and can be trusted. This might take some time and you may have to pretend to criticize that which you are shilling for at times. Once this is established you can begin steering it in directions you like, especially when you flood it with other co-shills and in some cases bots that can mass upvote, downvote, and even post, thereby exerting phony peer pressure. It's not rocket science. It's no more complicated than what high school girls sometimes do to each other, but it can be effective.

                  Really though, the whole left wing right wing thing is a joke that over simplifies reality and presents a false paradigm. The alt right generally refers to it as the kosher sandwich, and I cant think of a better description. Maybe at one time there seemed to be concrete differences, but hindsight proved that even that was largely an illusion. Now it's just meaningless branding. George Orwell discovered this a long time ago.

                  [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  yep the only people in US govt politics that are anti Israel are the squad members like Omar. Why is the guy using literally only strawmen to argue?

                  [–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                  I don't think so. Neo Nazis exist, you know. Just like Friedrich Nietzsche, Hitler recognized that Islam had preserved a master morality, and hoped to see it return in Germany. The creator of this image probably supports Hitler and agrees with him on this point.

                  [–]fred_red_beans 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

                  Who cares?

                  Don't like how magnora7 is running saidit?

                  Go start you own damn site.

                  [–]fschmidt 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

                  I don't like anything produced by modern culture, but recreating it all is too much for one person.

                  [–]fred_red_beans 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

                  The source for saidit is on git. It's was started by magnora and d3rr, now run just by magnora.

                  This whole saidit needs to adhere to whatever someone's understanding of free speech is just victim-hood mentality.

                  There's many other open source packages avilable such as phpBB. Install linux, follow some guides. Do some work. I've done it.

                  Do you expect to have someone fix your car for free?

                  [–]fschmidt 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                  All software produced by modern scum is crap as I explained.

                  SaidIt can do whatever it wants, but since it is run by modern scum, it will never have free speech.

                  phpBB isn't social, so it is useless. There is no good social forum software.

                  I have offered to contribute $2500/month to someone who is willing make a good social forum.

                  [–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                  The problem with alt-tech is the general problem with the Right. They miss the core issue. The core issue is not politics. The core issue is culture. Modern western culture is pure evil. All of its members are vile human scum and everything that it produces is disgusting crap. The reason that God commanded to Israelites to destroy everything they found in conquered Canaanite cities is because Canaanite culture was evil, so everything they produced was crap. Modern western culture deserves the same fate as the Canaanites. The people should be exterminated and everything that this culture has produced should be destroyed.

                  Jew or not, I was having trouble settling on one specific quote because so many from both links are a perfect analysis of the situation.

                  Both modern Whites and modern Jews are absolutely worthless. I assume you know the problems with modern Judaism, so I don't need to get into that. Modern Whites are epitomized by Trump, a complete psychopath who has sex with other men's wives and has no morality and no meaningful religion.

                  Not all Whites, and apparently at least not one Jew, but most are beyond recovery. So instead of making a good social forum, how do we destroy modern society, along with its adherents?

                  [–]fschmidt 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  So instead of making a good social forum, how do we destroy modern society, along with its adherents?

                  I think modern society will destroy itself. More important than making a good social forum is making a good real community somewhere. Before the election was stolen, I thought north Idaho would be a promising place for this. But now I am looking abroad. /s/ConservativeExodus

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                    [–]fred_red_beans 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                    You're the one bitching. I don't care about your meme.

                    You're expecting others to take reponsibility for you.

                    You feel you need to spread whatever message, go make a site.

                    What you're doing here is just harrassment.

                    So instead of taking responsibility for your own bullshit on the internet you're going to whine and bitch until someone else takes care of it for you. Nice.

                    It is neither saidit's or magnora's responsibility to maintain your freedom of speech.

                    Why don't you try to take some responsibility yourself instead of acting like a bitch and expecting others to do it for you?

                    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                    https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/j1/the_saiditnet_terms_and_content_policy/ free speech not mentioned in the saidit rules

                    It is different from reddit but not that different really

                    [–]NeofolkSkrillex 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                    This is something I would expect to see on voat

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                    [–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                    Muslims are based yes

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                    nazis didn't like chrisrtianity cuz a jew started it. So why tho support islam, a religion started by an arab but copied from a religion started by a jew

                    I guess cuz they killed people and shit?

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                      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      yeah I get it, I think Napoleon said similar. just kind of lame either way.

                      [–]carn0ld03 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                      Muhammed was no more ethnically Arab than King Herod was ethnically Jewish.

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                      dude born in arabian peninsula, he was an arab

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                      Hitler changed his mind about this. My guess is that as he got beyond the propaganda about Islam and saw the true savagery of it, he realized the Christian religion was vastly superior. Also, Christ was no friend to the Jews: he called them hypocrites, vipers and the sons of Satan.

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                      He also was a proud Christian. Historical figures never changed their minds?

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                        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                        Hitler was far from a proud Christian in any substantial way.

                        His Christianity was purely a "marriage of convenience." He considered religion a tool to control the masses

                        Common tactic among politicians. Trump did the same.