Why does Race & IQ differences make people angry, but Gender differences does not?

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[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

The only debate is why that is the case.

If it's not due to race, then "Black people are dumber than Whites" isn't true.

"Underclass people are dumber than middle class people"

"People who live in warmer states are dumber that people who live in colder states"

"People with poor childhood nutrition are dumber than people with good childhood nutrition"

"People with a poor education are dumber than people with a good education"

"People with heavy metal poisoning are dumber than people without heavy metal poisoning"

"People born in 1940 are dumber than people born in 1970"

All these are independently true. But there's insufficient evidence to claim that "Black people are dumber than Whites" if you correct for confounding factors.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

All these are independently true. But there's insufficient evidence to claim that "Black people are dumber than Whites" if you correct for confounding factors.

No there isn't you're just ignorant of the research. Studies do in fact control for all these factors and find that race is still by far and away the most accurate predictor of intelligence, criminality etc.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

No there isn't you're just ignorant of the research.

One of us is.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Yes bro objective reality doesn't exist because you apply dumbass libtard snark instead of just accepting you're wrong about anything. Good job genius.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You think your comment was a well reference link the the research you claim I'm ignorant of?

Let's break it down shall we.

(1) No there isn't you're just ignorant of the research.

Well that's a big claim. A rational argument would now not only point to the research, but give evidence that it is not refuted and accepted by the majority of scholars. Lets see how we go with the evidence -> sound reasoning -> claim of a person who could justify getting shirty at a quick response.

(2) Studies do in fact control for all these factors and find that race is still by far and away the most accurate predictor of intelligence, criminality etc.

Nope another claim. Also lacking evidence and a line of reasoning.

So there's a lot missing. Let see the how this is developed.

(3) Nothing. That's the end of the post.

Well. That's deep. Two claims. No evidence. No reasoning.

A bit rich you wanking on about "objective reality" then isn't it?

That's rhetorical: The answer is yes it is a bit rich.

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

He's actually right. Just as an example: (Links are outdated but you can still find the studies if you want to)

Kovandzic et al. 1998](http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com.sci-hub.tv/doi/10.1111/j.1745-9125.1998.tb01259.x/full) took data from 190 cities looking for homicide variables. He produced six regression models, three for different measures of economic inequality and three for stranger, acquaintance, and family homicide. Across all six, % black remained statistically significant with all of the other variables being held constant. Not only that, but it also yielded the highest standardized regression coefficient (Beta) value across all models. Thus it was a better predictor of homicide than income inequality, poverty, unemployment, divorce, etc. This demonstrates that both family structure and economic inequality among other things don't adequately explain racial disparities in crime.

Kposowa et al. 1993 did the same thing across 3083, 409, and 1469 counties respectively. Once again, % black was a better predictor of homicide than education, unemployment, poverty, divorce etc. The amount of variance explained in rural and main was much lower than urban, but that's because rural crime is much harder to predict.

Kposowa et al. 1995 replicated these findings with better and much more robust models.

There's also some data from The Color of Crime 2005 which looked at government data for all 50 states + D.C. and produced a few neat bivariate correlations:

Violent Crime Variable (per 100,000) with Correlation

% black and hispanic |0.81|

% in poverty |0.36|

% unemployed |0.35|

% not completed high school |0.37|

% black and hispanic (all other variables controlled for) |0.78|

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He produced six regression models, three for different measures of economic inequality and three for stranger, acquaintance, and family homicide. Across all six, % black remained statistically significant with all of the other variables being held constant.

The question remains what confounders did he miss?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's not a big claim at all. Anyone who is even passingly familiar with race intelligence research knows what I said is true.

Scroll to section 2 and there you have a bunch of studies.

It's not rich at all, the fact is you know absolutely nothing about intelligence research. The reason I know you know nothing is because you listed the typical rhetorical whataboutisms you're taught to list that literally everyone who does know anything about intelligence research has heard and debunked 1009023490329402340234080 times. If you did know anything about intelligence research you would be extremely embarrassed to have posted that comment, unless you're just trying to troll people. But I can tell from this comment and others posted here you take yourself very seriously to the point of seeming insecure honestly, so I don't think you are just trying to be dishonest. I think you're just a midwit who identifies as being intelligent.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not a big claim at all. Anyone who is even passingly familiar with race intelligence research knows what I said is true.

Well. If your best evidence is that you don't need evidence, I'm happy to dismiss it as false.

Scroll to section 2 and there you have a bunch of studies.

Lets look at the first one for starters "Human evolution is not merely ongoing but is in fact accelerating."

That doesn't come up on google scholar. Is it published in a peer reviewed journal?

Or is it just pseudoscience from some ignorant crackpot whose wife ran off with a black man?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

All these are independently true. But there's insufficient evidence to claim that "Black people are dumber than Whites" if you correct for confounding factors.

Jared Taylor put it abruptly. There's over 10,000 public schools in America. Yet, not a single one has Black kids doing better than any other race.

The final nail in the coffin is the SAT scores. The smartest groups in America are Whites and Asians. The Richest Blacks are still dumber than even the poorest Whites.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/1995-SAT-vs-Income-Education.png

It's silly to think these racial differences can ever be overcome, the same way we'll never see most Women grow muscles and beat up Men in a fist fight.

Evolution created these differences, and it had the biggest effect on our brains. We can even spot these differences, physically.

https://i.imgur.com/rRBwkcX.png

Both the size and shape of African & European Skulls are completely different.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Jared Taylor put it abruptly. There's over 10,000 public schools in America. Yet, not a single one has Black kids doing better than any other race.

White supremacists aren't known for their correct analysis of statistical confounders.

What your looking at there is motivated reasoning. In reality, once you correct for confounders, the difference between races almost entirely disappears.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/1995-SAT-vs-Income-Education.png PNG

So you've found two important confounders. Parental education and household income, both of which are anti-correlated to being black in the US.

It's silly to think these racial differences can ever be overcome, the same way we'll never see most Women grow muscles and beat up Men in a fist fight.

That's a fucking stupid analogy. The reason Men produce more muscles is that they have testes that are producing testosterone, which affects muscle development. There's nothing asian's produce that affects brain development. They're just very scholarly by culture.

Both the size and shape of African & European Skulls are completely different.

I'm sorry to disillusion you, but the region of the skull above the eye's is most sloping in Europeans compared to Native Americans and sub-saharan Africans.

But physiognomy is a refuted superstition.

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I'm sorry, but the actual data on genetic clustering shows you're wrong. https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/329/

It's also a scientific fact that races differ in average brain size and skull volume and shape. Blacks have smaller brain size than Europeans on average. https://files.catbox.moe/ebk1wd.png

Skull shape and brain size https://i.ibb.co/6Wgdifferences.

The link you provided shows illustrations of skulls, not actual photos of skulls themselves, unlike the example given by radicalcentrist. They also dishonestly make the Indian and African skulls huge compared to the European skull.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It's also a scientific fact that races differ in average brain size and skull volume and shape.

I didn't say that there's not differences in the means. Given a skull, a biological anthropologist with vernier calipers and a calculator could make a decent estimate of the race of the deceased. They wouldn't get it right 100% of the time though.

Blacks have smaller brain size than Europeans on average. https://files.catbox.moe/ebk1wd.png

Probably related to the Neanderthal genes in Europeans. Neanderthals had a larger brain size still.

Needless to add, any implication about intelligence based on that is obviously misguided.

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We never claimed that racial differences are 100%. We have only claimed that there are average differences between races that matter. It seems like you agree with this and are mostly concerned with the implications of racial dofferences.

Brain size actually correlates with IQ. Plus a bunch of reasons to think brain size effects intelligence. How do you explain homo sapien increases in intelligence over our ancestors if not for brain size?

https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/brain-size-and-iq/

Also, the Black/White IQ gap hasn't really changed much at all given the radical egalitarian changes and advantages blacks have been given, someone with your point of view should actually be shocked at how little the gap has changed.

https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/12/22/changes-in-the-american-black-white-iq-gap-1916-2016/

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Probably related to the Neanderthal genes in Europeans. Neanderthals had a larger brain size still.

Needless to add, any implication about intelligence based on that is obviously misguided.

Lol, of course without any evidence to make this claim

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Neanderthal Brains: Bigger, Not Necessarily Better

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No evidence provided

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What?

Did you not follow the fucking link?

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I did, no evidence provided

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

White supremacists aren't known for their correct analysis of statistical confounders. What your looking at there is motivated reasoning. In reality, once you correct for confounders, the difference between races almost entirely disappears.

Race gaps exist, even amongst the richest or most affluent people.

Even with all the diversity and affirmative action pushes, only Asians come 2nd place in total CEO's rankings. Then it's Hispanics and then Black CEO's rank last.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1097600/racial-and-ethnic-diversity-of-ceos-in-the-united-states/

It's the exact same pattern as the SAT chart I posted...

So you've found two important confounders. Parental education and household income, both of which are anti-correlated to being black in the US.

It's not America's fault that Blacks suck at both things. You want proof? Native Africa never even built Universities or Public Schools before Europeans taught them those things. It's no surprise that 400 years later, Blacks can't beat White in education because only race valued it.

That's a fucking stupid analogy. The reason Men produce more muscles is that they have testes that are producing testosterone, which affects muscle development. There's nothing asian's produce that affects brain development. They're just very scholarly by culture.

It's implied Asians can produce other physical attributes like slanted eyelids or even different bacteria found in their mouths, it's safe to assume that they also have DNA that produces bigger and more intelligent brains than any other race.

I'm sorry to disillusion you, but the region of the skull above the eye's is most sloping in Europeans compared to Native Americans and sub-saharan Africans.

So you're aware all 3 races have physically different skull structures? Congratulations, you're catching up now!

But physiognomy is a refuted superstition.

Skull differences are the reason humans even exist.

https://i.imgur.com/qsca7Wd.jpg

Notice the oldest ancestor resembles a slightly more advanced Chimp? Their intelligence level was banging rocks together. Now look at the last example. His brain is far bigger and his intellectual achievements are also superior.

Black people are caught in the middle of this timeline. They are not considered biologically equal to Europeans who have built far more complex civilizations than anything found in Native Africa.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why do richer blacks commit more crime in school than poorer whites? [1] [2]

You think people are dumb that they didn't consider your basic bitch co-factors?

Like Markimus said, you're just ignorant of the research.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why do richer blacks commit more crime in school than poorer whites?

Social factors.