Why does Race & IQ differences make people angry, but Gender differences does not?

submitted by radicalcentristNational Centrism from (self.debatealtright)

Liberals love using this statistic "Humans share 99.9% of the same DNA so shut up you racist!".

But, Women and Men also share the same DNA. And society has said it's ok to segregate them.

There are Men's Washrooms and Women's Washrooms.

There's a Men's Clothing Section and a Women's Clothing Section.

Men don't wear Bra's, panties or tampons, unless you're a freak.

Men get arrested more than Women. But no one says the police are "systematically sexist" against Men.

Men are stronger than Women on average. If you took a Starving Male Hobo and told him to fight a Billionaire Female CEO, the Male Hobo could still kick her ass. So "wealth" doesn't actually eliminate the gap.

Saying Men & Women are different doesn't make you a "Male Supremacist". Nobody gets cancelled for saying Men can't get pregnant.

But if someone said "Black people are dumber than Whites" or "Blacks should get out of White neighborhoods", why do they get pissed? What makes these statements racist or evil, but Men and Women differences are ok?

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[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because the whole "woke" stuff in essence just boils down to Jewish elites (and their black and brown attack dogs) hating white people. The "gender is a social construct" stuff was just one of their stepping stones towards selective race denialism (applied to only the white race), and then open scapegoating, demonization and dehumanization of white people, and its intended resulting anti-white violence.

[–]Retardation_station 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Discussing differences between sexes has very recently become taboo as well.

Just look at how much it pisses people off to hear that female cops and firefighters aren't as strong or capable in an emergency. They'll flip the fucking table if you even suggest that women shouldn't be in military combat roles.

That's also why the transgender movement has been pushing so fucking hard to reduce the differences between sexes to nothing more than hormones and genitalia.

[–]Ponderer 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Discussing differences between sexes has very recently become taboo as well.

Came here for this. I don't know where OP's been the last 5 years, since both feminism and the transgender movement loudly deny that biological differences between the sexes exist.

Even gender-critical feminists think that male and female brains are absolutely identical, they only admit that their bodies are different.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Humans share 99.9% of the same DNA

That's always been such a stupid argument. Humans and chimps share 98% of the same DNA. I guess speciesists need to shut the fuck up.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Its also wrong

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What's wrong?

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The updated percentage is 99.5%

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Of humans vs apes?

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

98.8% human vs chimp (this number is like very bad, so dont put too much value into it)
99.5% human vs human

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (39 children)

panties

Men's bikini briefs are very comfortable, but they're basically panties with a ball pouch. They're especially nice in warm climates where you don't want boxers clinging to your legs and nethers.

But no one says the police are "systematically sexist" against Men.

They are though. Women get away with a lot of dumb shit. And women's jail is like a shitty spa day. They chat and do each others hair. Men's jail isn't terrible but it's still a big step down.

I'm not saying that's wrong, don't really want women going through what men do, and that's why it's done that way. They're not men, we can take more.

But to compare gender to race doesn't make sense to me. Men and women have fundamental differences. Races have averages, but that's encompassing a wide set of points, for instance, there are smart black people and dumb white people.

I don't think that's a valid comparison.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (34 children)

But to compare gender to race doesn't make sense to me. Men and women have fundamental differences. Races have averages, but that's encompassing a wide set of points, for instance, there are smart black people and dumb white people.

Race has the same "fundamental differences" as gender.

Ronda Rousey is a powerful MMA fighter, but everyone still says Women are weaker than Men.

Male Rockstars grow their hair really long, but everyone still says Women have longer hair.

Now use the same logic with race. One smart black guy doesn't change most black people are dumb.

They are though. Women get away with a lot of dumb shit. And women's jail is like a shitty spa day. They chat and do each others hair. Men's jail isn't terrible but it's still a big step down.

Look at murder rates. Or any crime that involves aggression. The majority of all suspects are always Male.

Yet the reason for this is still genetic. There's no country on Earth where Women make better criminals than Men.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (33 children)

One smart black guy doesn't change most black people are dumb.

The fact that the gap between the average IQ scores of groups of black and white people in the United States is closing shows that the gap is not due to genetic differences between the races.

(Quite apart from it being evolutionarily implausible that there would be different selection pressures in different continents strong enough to differentiate IQ, while applying across those entire continents, each with hugely different environments, and across cultural boundaries within those continents).

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

Black people will never catch up to Whites.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_continents_by_GDP_(nominal)#GDP_(nominal)_by_continents

Africans have been around for 40,000 years, yet it's the poorest and least developed continent on Earth. Even before colonization, who were the most powerful and intelligent empires in all of history? The Roman Empire. The British Empire. The Portuguese Empire. The Mongol Empire.

Not a single black country or tribe was ever more powerful than these people.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

Africans have been around for 40,000 years, yet it's the poorest and least developed continent on Earth.

Africans have been around for a lot longer than that. Europeans have been around for about 50,000. But the industrial revolution doesn't take even 1,000 years. So you're going to have to flesh out this "never catch up" claim a bit. Europeans made no significant developmental progress for 45,000 years.

Even before colonization, who were the most powerful and intelligent empires in all of history? The Roman Empire. The British Empire. The Portuguese Empire. The Mongol Empire.

The ancient Egyptian empire was hegemonic prior to the rise of any of those.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Africans have been around for a lot longer than that. Europeans have been around for about 50,000.

That's even more embarrassing. Africans had a thousand year head start but are now dead last in everything. What were they doing the entire time if they had high intelligence?

But the industrial revolution doesn't take even 1,000 years. So you're going to have to flesh out this "never catch up" claim a bit. Europeans made no significant developmental progress for 45,000 years.

Europeans had practiced farming, or domesticating animals. Not to mention, all the most noteworthy civilizations where either European or Asian in origin.

The ancient Egyptian empire was hegemonic prior to the rise of any of those.

The Black Egyptian dynasty only lasted for 90 years and funny enough, it also killed Ancient Egypt.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Europeans made no significant developmental progress for 45,000 years.

Wrong. Europeans have had a steady progress for 45,000 years. The wheel, dogs, horses, domesticated animals, chariots, metalurgy etc etc.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

The wheel, dogs, horses, domesticated animals, chariots, metalurgy etc etc. Ancient Egypt had

  • Metalurgy.
  • Writing.
  • Papyrus.
  • Ink.
  • The Ox-drawn plow and the Sickle.
  • Canals and Irrigation Channels.
  • The Calendar.
  • Clocks.
  • The wheel
  • Chariots
  • Domesticated Animals
  • Horses

But the difference between Africa and Europe was the timing of the industrial revolution.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Ancient Egypt was a white civilization

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

It had a range of skin colours as far as Africa goes. But it wasn't white as in European.

They the realistic art of the time showed them as highly variable, but they generally depicted themselves as brown. The mummies that survive include individuals who would've been considered white today, and individuals who would've been considered black. And many in between.

Egypt was, however, unavoidably African.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Egypt was, however, unavoidably African.

Ok, but when people talk about africans in this sub, we are talking about blacks ie. subsaharan africans, not north africans that fall under the white/caucasoid race.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

The fact that the gap between the average IQ scores of groups of black and white people in the United States is closing shows that the gap is not due to genetic differences between the races.

Bold claim that is not supported by any evidence

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Black Americans Reduce the Racial IQ Gap: Evidence from Standardization Samples

There’s still no good reason to believe black-white IQ differences are due to genes

Combining our estimates with results in prior literature, we show that a simple model with assortative mating fits our data well, implying that differences in children's environments between racial groups can fully explain gaps in intelligence.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Look at your sources

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Ok. Now what?

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Find better sources if you want me to engage with you on this

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Two thirds of those sources are peer-reviewed papers from the scholarly literature.

Could you describe what a better source is?

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Alt Hype or Sean Last probably have decent posts about this, from them you should be able to find studies, its a few years ago since I looked into this subject but there is nothing new under the sun

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Men's bikini briefs are very comfortable, but they're basically panties with a ball pouch.

..........

[–]Retardation_station 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Men's bikini briefs are very comfortable, but they're basically panties with a ball pouch

Manties

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

But no one says the police are "systematically sexist" against Men.

They are though.

I guess someone is saying that then.

That's a clear refutation. I find the original claim false.
Case closed.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (65 children)

But if someone said "Black people are dumber than Whites"

I think that the fact that it's wrong is why people get annoyed. Truth is a powerful defense.

or "Blacks should get out of White neighborhoods", why do they get pissed?

This is trolling.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

The fact that on average Blacks perform lower on intelligence tests and in academia is actually a universally accepted fact. If you think it's wrong you should probably be taking that up with every single university in the country. The only debate is why that is the case.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The fact that on average Blacks perform lower on intelligence tests and in academia is actually a universally accepted fact.

Jared Taylor & Charles Murray actually debunked this. They both pointed out that the government had a special program called the "No Child Left Behind Act" which as it's name implies, every Child was suppose to be treated the same and do good in school. This idea failed but they still pushed it anyway.

https://www.amren.com/videos/2021/08/our-rulers-never-learn/

Do you remember the hilarious attempt to require – by law – all school districts in America to get students of all races to perform at the same high level? It was called No Child Left Behind, and here’s George Bush signing the legislation in 2002. I guess the idea was to turn everyone into Asians. Of course, it was a complete failure. In 2015, morons in Congress replaced it with a new law will turn turn José and Shaniqua into computer programmers. Believe it or not, it’s called the “Every Student Succeeds Act.”

The only debate is why that is the case.

The debates around this have also been settled. Using the same link, experiments that tried to "correct" environments yielded the same results.

And, as I said, we keep trying to turn people into what they aren’t right here at home. Here’s a headline: “Mark Zuckerberg once made a $100 million investment in a major US city to help fix its schools — now the mayor says the effort ‘parachuted’ in and failed.” Parachuted in and failed. Sound familiar? That was the miserable Newark School district, which was 90 percent black and Hispanic. And it was actually $200 million, because other donors kicked in another 100. The school district is still 90 percent black and Hispanic and it’s still miserable.

Just like how a Starving Male Hobo can still beat up any Rich Female, White people who have been disproportionately affected with poverty or malnutrition have always done better than even the richest black nations.

Compare the Soviet Union with Ethiopia. Both had brutal communist governments and lived in squalor, yet why did only the Soviets land on the Moon? Or build the most recognizable gun of all time (Ak-47)? It's because of their race...

Or look at Germany and Zimbabwe. Both nations had the worst hyperinflations in history, yet how come only Germany recovered so fast and become an imminent Superpower? The answer is again, fundamental racial differences...

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You totally missed my point and somehow proved my point for me.

Thanks I guess.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You have to explain it to me.

Gender differences are universally accepted because our society doesn't make excuses for them.

Segregated bathrooms or female only products like Tampons means both genders are treated as separate without controversy.

But Blacks scoring lower on IQ Tests is universally denied, because we've created programs like Affirmative Action or NoChildLeftBehind that treated them as complete equals. Instead, there should be Black only schools or Black only neighborhoods because IQ differences will always prevent them from catching up with Whites.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

The only debate is why that is the case.

If it's not due to race, then "Black people are dumber than Whites" isn't true.

"Underclass people are dumber than middle class people"

"People who live in warmer states are dumber that people who live in colder states"

"People with poor childhood nutrition are dumber than people with good childhood nutrition"

"People with a poor education are dumber than people with a good education"

"People with heavy metal poisoning are dumber than people without heavy metal poisoning"

"People born in 1940 are dumber than people born in 1970"

All these are independently true. But there's insufficient evidence to claim that "Black people are dumber than Whites" if you correct for confounding factors.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

All these are independently true. But there's insufficient evidence to claim that "Black people are dumber than Whites" if you correct for confounding factors.

No there isn't you're just ignorant of the research. Studies do in fact control for all these factors and find that race is still by far and away the most accurate predictor of intelligence, criminality etc.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

No there isn't you're just ignorant of the research.

One of us is.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Yes bro objective reality doesn't exist because you apply dumbass libtard snark instead of just accepting you're wrong about anything. Good job genius.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You think your comment was a well reference link the the research you claim I'm ignorant of?

Let's break it down shall we.

(1) No there isn't you're just ignorant of the research.

Well that's a big claim. A rational argument would now not only point to the research, but give evidence that it is not refuted and accepted by the majority of scholars. Lets see how we go with the evidence -> sound reasoning -> claim of a person who could justify getting shirty at a quick response.

(2) Studies do in fact control for all these factors and find that race is still by far and away the most accurate predictor of intelligence, criminality etc.

Nope another claim. Also lacking evidence and a line of reasoning.

So there's a lot missing. Let see the how this is developed.

(3) Nothing. That's the end of the post.

Well. That's deep. Two claims. No evidence. No reasoning.

A bit rich you wanking on about "objective reality" then isn't it?

That's rhetorical: The answer is yes it is a bit rich.

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

He's actually right. Just as an example: (Links are outdated but you can still find the studies if you want to)

Kovandzic et al. 1998](http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com.sci-hub.tv/doi/10.1111/j.1745-9125.1998.tb01259.x/full) took data from 190 cities looking for homicide variables. He produced six regression models, three for different measures of economic inequality and three for stranger, acquaintance, and family homicide. Across all six, % black remained statistically significant with all of the other variables being held constant. Not only that, but it also yielded the highest standardized regression coefficient (Beta) value across all models. Thus it was a better predictor of homicide than income inequality, poverty, unemployment, divorce, etc. This demonstrates that both family structure and economic inequality among other things don't adequately explain racial disparities in crime.

Kposowa et al. 1993 did the same thing across 3083, 409, and 1469 counties respectively. Once again, % black was a better predictor of homicide than education, unemployment, poverty, divorce etc. The amount of variance explained in rural and main was much lower than urban, but that's because rural crime is much harder to predict.

Kposowa et al. 1995 replicated these findings with better and much more robust models.

There's also some data from The Color of Crime 2005 which looked at government data for all 50 states + D.C. and produced a few neat bivariate correlations:

Violent Crime Variable (per 100,000) with Correlation

% black and hispanic |0.81|

% in poverty |0.36|

% unemployed |0.35|

% not completed high school |0.37|

% black and hispanic (all other variables controlled for) |0.78|

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He produced six regression models, three for different measures of economic inequality and three for stranger, acquaintance, and family homicide. Across all six, % black remained statistically significant with all of the other variables being held constant.

The question remains what confounders did he miss?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's not a big claim at all. Anyone who is even passingly familiar with race intelligence research knows what I said is true.

Scroll to section 2 and there you have a bunch of studies.

It's not rich at all, the fact is you know absolutely nothing about intelligence research. The reason I know you know nothing is because you listed the typical rhetorical whataboutisms you're taught to list that literally everyone who does know anything about intelligence research has heard and debunked 1009023490329402340234080 times. If you did know anything about intelligence research you would be extremely embarrassed to have posted that comment, unless you're just trying to troll people. But I can tell from this comment and others posted here you take yourself very seriously to the point of seeming insecure honestly, so I don't think you are just trying to be dishonest. I think you're just a midwit who identifies as being intelligent.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not a big claim at all. Anyone who is even passingly familiar with race intelligence research knows what I said is true.

Well. If your best evidence is that you don't need evidence, I'm happy to dismiss it as false.

Scroll to section 2 and there you have a bunch of studies.

Lets look at the first one for starters "Human evolution is not merely ongoing but is in fact accelerating."

That doesn't come up on google scholar. Is it published in a peer reviewed journal?

Or is it just pseudoscience from some ignorant crackpot whose wife ran off with a black man?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

All these are independently true. But there's insufficient evidence to claim that "Black people are dumber than Whites" if you correct for confounding factors.

Jared Taylor put it abruptly. There's over 10,000 public schools in America. Yet, not a single one has Black kids doing better than any other race.

The final nail in the coffin is the SAT scores. The smartest groups in America are Whites and Asians. The Richest Blacks are still dumber than even the poorest Whites.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/1995-SAT-vs-Income-Education.png

It's silly to think these racial differences can ever be overcome, the same way we'll never see most Women grow muscles and beat up Men in a fist fight.

Evolution created these differences, and it had the biggest effect on our brains. We can even spot these differences, physically.

https://i.imgur.com/rRBwkcX.png

Both the size and shape of African & European Skulls are completely different.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Jared Taylor put it abruptly. There's over 10,000 public schools in America. Yet, not a single one has Black kids doing better than any other race.

White supremacists aren't known for their correct analysis of statistical confounders.

What your looking at there is motivated reasoning. In reality, once you correct for confounders, the difference between races almost entirely disappears.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/1995-SAT-vs-Income-Education.png PNG

So you've found two important confounders. Parental education and household income, both of which are anti-correlated to being black in the US.

It's silly to think these racial differences can ever be overcome, the same way we'll never see most Women grow muscles and beat up Men in a fist fight.

That's a fucking stupid analogy. The reason Men produce more muscles is that they have testes that are producing testosterone, which affects muscle development. There's nothing asian's produce that affects brain development. They're just very scholarly by culture.

Both the size and shape of African & European Skulls are completely different.

I'm sorry to disillusion you, but the region of the skull above the eye's is most sloping in Europeans compared to Native Americans and sub-saharan Africans.

But physiognomy is a refuted superstition.

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I'm sorry, but the actual data on genetic clustering shows you're wrong. https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/329/

It's also a scientific fact that races differ in average brain size and skull volume and shape. Blacks have smaller brain size than Europeans on average. https://files.catbox.moe/ebk1wd.png

Skull shape and brain size https://i.ibb.co/6Wgdifferences.

The link you provided shows illustrations of skulls, not actual photos of skulls themselves, unlike the example given by radicalcentrist. They also dishonestly make the Indian and African skulls huge compared to the European skull.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It's also a scientific fact that races differ in average brain size and skull volume and shape.

I didn't say that there's not differences in the means. Given a skull, a biological anthropologist with vernier calipers and a calculator could make a decent estimate of the race of the deceased. They wouldn't get it right 100% of the time though.

Blacks have smaller brain size than Europeans on average. https://files.catbox.moe/ebk1wd.png

Probably related to the Neanderthal genes in Europeans. Neanderthals had a larger brain size still.

Needless to add, any implication about intelligence based on that is obviously misguided.

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We never claimed that racial differences are 100%. We have only claimed that there are average differences between races that matter. It seems like you agree with this and are mostly concerned with the implications of racial dofferences.

Brain size actually correlates with IQ. Plus a bunch of reasons to think brain size effects intelligence. How do you explain homo sapien increases in intelligence over our ancestors if not for brain size?

https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/brain-size-and-iq/

Also, the Black/White IQ gap hasn't really changed much at all given the radical egalitarian changes and advantages blacks have been given, someone with your point of view should actually be shocked at how little the gap has changed.

https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/12/22/changes-in-the-american-black-white-iq-gap-1916-2016/

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Probably related to the Neanderthal genes in Europeans. Neanderthals had a larger brain size still.

Needless to add, any implication about intelligence based on that is obviously misguided.

Lol, of course without any evidence to make this claim

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Neanderthal Brains: Bigger, Not Necessarily Better

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No evidence provided

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

White supremacists aren't known for their correct analysis of statistical confounders. What your looking at there is motivated reasoning. In reality, once you correct for confounders, the difference between races almost entirely disappears.

Race gaps exist, even amongst the richest or most affluent people.

Even with all the diversity and affirmative action pushes, only Asians come 2nd place in total CEO's rankings. Then it's Hispanics and then Black CEO's rank last.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1097600/racial-and-ethnic-diversity-of-ceos-in-the-united-states/

It's the exact same pattern as the SAT chart I posted...

So you've found two important confounders. Parental education and household income, both of which are anti-correlated to being black in the US.

It's not America's fault that Blacks suck at both things. You want proof? Native Africa never even built Universities or Public Schools before Europeans taught them those things. It's no surprise that 400 years later, Blacks can't beat White in education because only race valued it.

That's a fucking stupid analogy. The reason Men produce more muscles is that they have testes that are producing testosterone, which affects muscle development. There's nothing asian's produce that affects brain development. They're just very scholarly by culture.

It's implied Asians can produce other physical attributes like slanted eyelids or even different bacteria found in their mouths, it's safe to assume that they also have DNA that produces bigger and more intelligent brains than any other race.

I'm sorry to disillusion you, but the region of the skull above the eye's is most sloping in Europeans compared to Native Americans and sub-saharan Africans.

So you're aware all 3 races have physically different skull structures? Congratulations, you're catching up now!

But physiognomy is a refuted superstition.

Skull differences are the reason humans even exist.

https://i.imgur.com/qsca7Wd.jpg

Notice the oldest ancestor resembles a slightly more advanced Chimp? Their intelligence level was banging rocks together. Now look at the last example. His brain is far bigger and his intellectual achievements are also superior.

Black people are caught in the middle of this timeline. They are not considered biologically equal to Europeans who have built far more complex civilizations than anything found in Native Africa.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why do richer blacks commit more crime in school than poorer whites? [1] [2]

You think people are dumb that they didn't consider your basic bitch co-factors?

Like Markimus said, you're just ignorant of the research.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why do richer blacks commit more crime in school than poorer whites?

Social factors.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think that the fact that it's wrong is why people get annoyed. Truth is a powerful defense.

We've been conditioned to accept the same truths with Gender without having an emotional response to it.

Men commit more violent crime is a good enough reason for Police to follow us more. Even though police interactions can SOMETIMES be fatal.

This is trolling.

"Men need to get out of Women's bathrooms" has the exact same logic. Historically speaking, Black people were also kept out of White neighborhoods.

Proof:

https://i.imgur.com/YpR2hEO.jpg

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (37 children)

I think that the fact that it's wrong is why people get annoyed. Truth is a powerful defense.

Blacks are dumber than whites

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (36 children)

There's insufficient evidence to claim that. If you correct for confounders, the difference disappears into the margin of error.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

No

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

You appear to be mistaken about that:

Combining our estimates with results in prior literature, we show that a simple model with assortative mating fits our data well, implying that differences in children's environments between racial groups can fully explain gaps in intelligence.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Without looking at your study and only the title of that link, whats the chance that your study isn't looking at adult iq? lol

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

That's generally what IQ is. Historically it was defined as mental age over chronological age.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but comparing Childhood IQ scores with Adults is typically flawed, because our brains still continue to develop until we're at least 25 years old.

HOWEVER, it's scientifically known that Black people reach their peak faster compared to other races. This should theoretically explain why the IQ gap actually gets BIGGER over time, because Whites & Asians completely surpass them at a given age.

We also have the transracial adoption studies as direct proof of this. Black kids at age 7 did ok, but once they hit adulthood, their IQ's return back to their racial average (83). Meanwhile, the White children, in every adopted scenario, still scored 100 points or 1 standard deviation higher than the Black kids in life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study#Results

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

HOWEVER, it's scientifically known that Black people reach their peak faster compared to other races.

I hadn't heard that. Do you have a source?

This should theoretically explain why the IQ gap actually gets BIGGER over time

I believe that's common for any IQ gap. Kids that are behind fall further behind as their education progresses, regardless of their race.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I hadn't heard that. Do you have a source?

Black people age faster

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277953614004511

Black people are born quicker

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15075154/

Black children reach puberty faster than other races

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/puberty-starts-earlier-in-many-american-boys-201210225437

It actually all fits in with Rushton's theory of R/K selection in humans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race,_Evolution,_and_Behavior#Differential_K_theory

Species that are considered very intelligent, have the smallest amount offspring while also spending the most time raising them. Species that are considered less intelligent have the largest amounts offspring while spending very little time with them.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

You're comparing two different groups with two different IQ/age curves. You don't even know the basics of this research and its really a waste of time when I can debunk your claims without even looking at your studies, just from the titles

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You're comparing two different groups with two different IQ/age curves.

Google has these 125 papers citing that source. Can you point me to one of the ones that clarifies your objections?

Or is this something that you've worked out, but all the people who know about this have missed?

You don't even know the basics of this research and its really a waste of time when I can debunk your claims without even looking at your studies, just from the titles

Oh the irony.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'm not going to do your work for you. It is pretty common practice for the dishonest to not use adult IQ but rather teenage or 7-year old IQ because it allows them to paint the picture they want to paint, knowing that using adult iq would give a different result that they don't want.

The irony here is your lack of knowledge and your arrogance. We have all been where you are, you are not unique.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

We literally have the continent of Africa as proof they're dumb.

In fact, name one thing about Africa that makes them "smart"?

Do we drive African Cars? Do we use African Computers? Do we read African books like how we read Shakespeare in school?

Africa is completely irrelevant in everything.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

We literally have the continent of Africa as proof they're dumb.

How does the existence of a geographical region elucidate the confounding factors in human intelligence testing differences as they are correlated to racial background?

In fact, name one thing about Africa that makes them "smart"?

The were the seat of the hegemonic civilisation for thousands of years.

Do we drive African Cars? Do we use African Computers? Do we read African books like how we read Shakespeare in school?

We use the geometry derived there.

Shakespeare is easier to read for kids that know English. But people do study ancient Egyptian literature. https://www.worldhistory.org/Egyptian_Literature/

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

How does the existence of a geographical region elucidate the confounding factors in human intelligence testing differences as they are correlated to racial background?

Because if they were smart, they would have done what every other race with high IQ achieved, and left behind traces of evidence that display ingenuity.

It could have been the Coliseums from ancient times, or the Sistine Chapel from the Middle Ages. But when people tour Africa, all they find are... mud huts and.... more rocks....

The were the seat of the hegemonic civilisation for thousands of years.

If they were "hegemonic" why did they never actually explore the world? Like build a large ship and come back with proof that North America exists before Columbus did?

We use the geometry derived there.

Do you know who Pythagoras was? That's not an African name, that guy was Ancient Greek. I could say the same about many other mainstream mathematicians. Sir Isaac Newton, Leonhard Euler, Carl Friedrich Gauss, Johannes Kepler. Far too many Europeans to name, barely any African ones of any significant importance to mention.

Shakespeare is easier to read for kids that know English. But people do study ancient Egyptian literature.

Too bad Ancient Egypt is about as Black as a White American claiming to be Native Indian.

Blacks only ruled Egypt for 90 years, in its last dynasty. They did not pave the groundwork that existed before them.

Also, Shakespeare is known all around the world. His plays have been translated into 100 different languages.

https://www.britishcouncil.org/voices-magazine/fun-international-facts-about-shakespeare

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Because if they were smart, they would have done what every other race with high IQ achieved, and left behind traces of evidence that display ingenuity.

The great pyramid? The valley of the Kings? The Sphinx?

Do you know who Pythagoras was? That's not an African name, that guy was Ancient Greek.

Do you know who Euclid was? That's an Ancient Greek name too, but that guy was from Alexandra, in modern Egypt.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

The Ancient Egyptians are dead dude. Sorry to break it to you, but it was not a Black civilization. Which is what the intelligence discussion is focusing on.

Even in their own depictions, the Egyptians saw themselves as different. For example, here's Ramses II literally leading his caramel colored army against the clearly black skinned Nubians.

https://i.imgur.com/W6WPN7r.jpg

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The Ancient Egyptians are dead dude.

So is Pythagoras.

Sorry to break it to you, but it was not a Black civilization.

It wasn't white. And it was African.

Ramses II literally leading his caramel colored army against the clearly black skinned Nubians.

They did tend to depict themselves as between black and white. And they didn't consider colour to differentiate races. But we have their mummies in some cases. Some of there were black, but certainly not all.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

So is Pythagoras.

Europeans still exist.

It wasn't white.

True. They were probably Caucasoid, like the other tribes that lived around the Levant.

They did tend to depict themselves as between black and white. And they didn't consider colour to differentiate races.

Which Pharaoh was ever depicted with black skin? It's actually amazing in Egyptian art, they still show the differences in racial skull shapes.

Like this depiction of Ramses II punishing a clearly Black prisoner.

https://i.imgur.com/PqZPiLN.jpg

Even thousands of years ago, they understood simple biology and that races differed in more than just skin.

[–]Mix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Gender differences make people plenty angry.

I don't deny the possibility that there is some correlation between race and IQ or other genetic factors. But the sources that people cite for it are bad. The Bell Curve has been widely debunked as being bad science and I don't know of any other studies that have been done on the subject.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Gender differences make people plenty angry.

In theory, Liberals hate it. But in their everyday life, they support the equivalent of "Gender Apartheid" by still using the proper washrooms instead of say, a guy walking into the Women's changing room and telling all the girls to piss off.

I don't deny the possibility that there is some correlation between race and IQ or other genetic factors. But the sources that people cite for it are bad. The Bell Curve has been widely debunked as being bad science and I don't know of any other studies that have been done on the subject.

Race and IQ has more compelling evidence than the theory of gravity or atoms.

It's all based on Human Evolution. Ask yourself, do dogs have the same IQ as Humans? What about Squirrels? Or Ducks? Do you think dropping these animals in school or giving them lots of money will eliminate the gap? The answer should be a resounding NO.

The same logic applies for Human races. Blacks, Whites & Asians all diverged from one another and lived on separate continents for thousands of years. If their skin color is different, if their eye shapes are different, if their hair texture and color are different, that must also mean THEIR BRAINS HAVE TO BE DIFFERENT AS WELL!

Now look at history. Where where the most intelligent civilizations located? The Roman Empire. The Achaemenid Empire. The Ottoman Empire. The Spanish Empire. Or the Japanese Empire. They all took place in Europe or Asia.

It's not even possible to name a single 100% black country that can even rival those achievements. The Zulu or the Mali Empire, never even built ships and explored their own continent. It was Europeans who had to map the entire continent for them and tell them a world existed outside of their own jungle. Still think intelligence is distributed equally? Every piece of evidence in history says some races did far better than others.

Edit: Look at this chart I showed the other guy.

https://i.imgur.com/qsca7Wd.jpg

The first "Human" ancestor still looked like a Chimpanzee and probably behaved like one. They had far smaller brains and could only play with rocks instead of doing something really complex, like building a machine gun or airplanes. After millions of years, did we see each ancestor's brain change size over time and become much more smarter than their last parent. It wouldn't surprise me that Black intelligence came to a complete stop in the middle of this timeline. Whereas in Europe or Asia, there was continued pressure to be smart to survive their environments.

And these skull/brain differences can be officially seen to this day.

https://i.imgur.com/QArws4J.png

[–]Mix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Like I said, I don't deny the possibility, but basing it on skull shapes is really grasping at straws.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Do you consider the brain an organ? An organ most responsible for making everyday decisions?

If you answered yes to all of the above, what is far fetched about races having different IQ level that correlates to their own brains being physically different?

A brain is just like a CPU you find in a computer. Many different models exist, which tends to influence how they all perform in the real world. Generally speaking, the most powerful computers are the ones that feature the most complex and up to date architecture. This is the logic I apply to why racial IQ's are different.

The Black Brain is far more primitive, having been created in an environment where only simple tasks where needed to survive.

The White Brain, improves upon the Black Brain's design, by adding newer functions and is heavily suited for a more complex world.

The Asian brain, is considered an improvement over both Race's design. Being the most complex in origin, and is highly adapted for living in a world that requires more complex thought.

The size of each brain and skull shape is reflected in how each Race evolved and became smarter. Imagine a Black Brain being a 1990 Computer, a White Brain is a 2005 Computer and an Asian Brain is a 2010 computer.

Now imagine you took the 2010 CPU and tried to put it inside a 1990 Computer? Chances are, it wouldn't actually fit or successfully turn on. Why? The physical differences are just too big at this point.

This same logic applies towards the Asian Brain and the Black Brain. Asian brains are considered much more bigger and complex than what the African Brain can produce. What else do we call these differences if not for physical limitations stemming from DNA?

[–]Mix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't much care how far fetched a claim is, just whether or not there is any evidence for it. It it's silly to assert something when you have nothing to base the claim on.

Firstly you would need to determine whether there is a correlation between race and IQ before you determine whether those differences are based on craniology or some other genetic factor.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Firstly you would need to determine whether there is a correlation between race and IQ before you determine whether those differences are based on craniology or some other genetic factor.

Professor Rushton did exactly as you said. Check out his research that compares everything (race, IQ, brain size, and other achievement gaps).

https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

And if you're still not convinced for some reason, there's an even more modern paper that compares ancestry with intelligence. Those who self identified as having pure European blood had the highest intelligence. Those who considered themselves mixed (i.e Half Black/Half White) had intelligence in the middle range. And those who self identified as being completely Black, had the lowest intelligence.

https://www.mdpi.com/2624-8611/1/1/34/htm

It it's silly to assert something when you have nothing to base the claim on.

Human evolution is completely founded on the idea that skull shapes evolving paved the way for more intelligent species.

Again, look at the chart I first showed you.

https://i.imgur.com/qsca7Wd.jpg

It's logical to assume that a bigger cranial capacity is what gave rise to more complex thoughts and actions. For example, think about where language comes from. When babies are first born, they have trouble talking. But by the time they are 6 or 7 years old, they should be able to form complete sentences. WHY would that be the case if not for how their brain had been developing the entire time? And why can't we assume that a child learning to talk is indeed a genetic response that comes completely from the organ responsible for it?

If we understand this or accept this as truth, then you should understand why Blacks having smaller brains also plays a huge role in the intelligence gaps. They are half way between the Chimps and the modern evolved Man. Their brains are about as developed as perhaps a White 6 year old kid, who still needs a alot of help to survive.

[–]peaceful✞ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It is partly because of the historical injustices that nonwhites feel have been committed against them in the name of racial inequality. But also, race is a stronger part of a group's identity than gender, so nonwhites can't accept that their groups are unequal. Whites empathize with nonwhites.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is partly because of the historical injustices that nonwhites feel have been committed against them in the name of racial inequality.

The same is true about gender. Feminists were marching at the same time as the Civil Right's activists, yet the perception that Women are physically less capable than Men or the need to force separate washrooms for genders still exists.

But also, race is a stronger part of a group's identity than gender, so nonwhites can't accept that their groups are unequal.

I can say the same about Gender.

Like look at the right to voting. That was once a male-only privilege until Suffragists chained themselves to buildings or starved themselves. Or Abortion.

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    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Hitler had the same views on gender, just like he had views on race.

    He saw both genders were different, with Women being better suited for raising children.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn

    Lebensborn e.V. (literally: "Fount of Life") was an SS-initiated, state-supported, registered association in Nazi Germany with the goal of raising the birth rate of Aryan children of persons classified as 'racially pure' and 'healthy' based on Nazi racial hygiene and health ideology. Lebensborn provided welfare to its mostly unmarried mothers, encouraged anonymous births by unmarried women at their maternity homes, and mediated adoption of these children by likewise 'racially pure' and 'healthy' parents, particularly SS members and their families. The Cross of Honour of the German Mother was given to the women who bore the most Aryan children. Abortion was legalised (and, more commonly, endorsed) by the Nazis for disabled and non-Germanic children, but strictly punished otherwise.

    [–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The other boys were always jealous of my huge dick, rippling muscles, tall frame, and blue eyes. It's sexual competition and nothing else. Intelligent white guys can pull tail better than dumb colored guys.