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[–]d3rr 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

I think we need to go deeper than where people went to school, and try to connect upper management to either the Rothschilds or current Jesuit institutions or Jesuit Uber elites.

And I generally hate romerules for turning this into a binary choice. Lots of things changed at the Vatican II conference in the 60s?

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

And I generally hate romerules for turning this into a binary choice.

This is the crux of the thing... I'll admit the Jesuits have a lot of influence, but I never notice the Jesuit people talking about the Rothschilds, which seems a glaring omission from otherwise well-researched posts.

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That's it. I have even reached out to the guy about his approach and about why he's not reaching most of the folks on /r/conspiracy He wasn't interested and won't go there. He's not willing to say "Yes the Rothschilds have power but they are not on top for these reasons...". He won't admit to any Jewish power whatsoever, therefore he can't reason with anyone who thinks Zionists are running the show. It looks more like divide and conquer than educating the masses.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

He won't admit to any Jewish power whatsoever, therefore he can't reason with anyone who thinks Zionists are running the show.

Well he did write the "Jews did the Russian Revolution" thing on the front page. But that pisses me off too because it blames primarily "Jews" instead of the actual individuals and ideologies responsible.

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hibiki is cool, I was trying to talk about the Veritas_Antiquas /r/romerules guy.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh yeah I see. I agree. The diehard romerules people are the worst, and he's the leader of that group it seems.

[–]HibikiBlack[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I know V_A has something of a temper. But he does it because he is worried about the usual anti-semitic memes spreading because he sees them as Jesuit propaganda. I myself don't agree with him when it comes to some WWII events, the Jews were over represented in many communists revolutions, some of them were responsible for splitting Germany apart after WWI which caused the German hyperinflation and I have already written a bible explaining how the Holocaust didn't happen. I've noticed even V_A being impressed by these posts of mine. But the point is his heart is in the right place. What we know so far proofs the Jesuits control 3 out of the 4 biggest banks in the world. They were involved in the creation of communism and National Socialism and a lot of the far right and far left Caudillos of WWI and WWII were somehow related, or even apprentices of the Jesuits. They made the usual anti-semitic myths popular with their writtings. They control the CIA, which has the biggest influence over the media and there are Catholics and apprentices of the Jesuits that control the biggest companies in the world.

The only missing link is to find out just how deep their control over these people really goes. The only way to find out how do those students and Catholics are truly agents of the Jesuits is to investigate each one individually to find Jesuit connections. But if we assume the Jesuits truly control those Catholics, then their wealth would truly go beyond whatever the Rothschilds and the Italian oligarchs truly have.

[–]d3rr 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Are you sure that V_A isn't just covering for and minimizing Jewish crimes? I have called him out for never calling out a single Jew multiple times. His patterned response is very bizarre- in my new country no Jews will be allowed.

I'm not addressing your other points yet, but Romerules seem to have their final conclusion made up, and do everything they can to let Jews off the hook. To me it seems that he doesn't argue in good faith. I think the subscriber stats for his sub validates my claim.

If the Rothschilds married into Aldorbani (sp) family then right there that is proof that the cabal is Jesuit AND Zionist.

You're great Hibiki please don't take any of my disagreements on these matters personally. I will write more later this is the #1 thing I'm interested in.

[–]HibikiBlack[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thats the thing d3rr. I wouldn't mind disagrement as long as you guys provided actual counter arguments. But I usually only see evasion at best. Your arguments against V_A just seem like the usual side vs side tribalism to me. This posts of mine alone completely debunks the usual "the Rothschilds control nearly all central banks" meme. And I already shared a fucking bible written by letsbebuns explaining how the central banks use currency for evil and how they are the cause of 80% of the world's problems. So if It's true that the Jesuits control 3 out of the 4 biggest banks in the world, our attention should go to them. There are a lot of missing holes in the theories. Like how can we tell which Catholics and students are agents of the Jesuits and which ones aren't. But I can't close the gap by myself because I don't have the resources like to finish the research alone, at least surely not right now. That's why I need this info to go viral.

Trust me I'm not holding a grudge against you guys, I'm more worried about what may happen to the site. If it all comes down to a "my dick is greater than yours" fight and actual censorship starts to kick in. Forgive my paranoia but, like I said sometimes I feel like you guys are intellectually dishonest with me and most of your arguments against V_A look like side vs side tribalism.

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Surely you can see how a VA refusing to discuss Jewish power whatsoever on r/conspiracy is a huge red flag for some. I pleaded with that guy- "you need to reach across the aisle and meet us halfway and show us why the Roths theory is wrong". He blew me off and was not interested in this idea. He presents an alternate theory that does not mesh with what little we know of the Zionists, because he won't awknowledge Zionist power whatsoever. So based on these he seems to exist to divide conspiracy, not to reach anyone and provide a view of the cabal where Zionists are 10% and Jesuits 90%. He insists that Jews are 0% of the cabal.

If that's tribalism, then fuck me. I'm happy to learn about Jesuits from you but VA is a weirdo prick imo. Not a teacher.

I'll be back to address facts of the matter and not to discuss VA anymore.

[–]HibikiBlack[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I"m sorry you both aren't willing to discuss anymore. I'm glad you want to talk about these points with me. I'm sorry about getting paranoid It's just that I can't shake the feeling that if I turn out to be correct, I could end up by myself again. You can say that about V_A but, you know how much I have fought to share the Jesuit theories in r/conspiracy by myself.

[–]d3rr 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People like your posts more than his because you are willing to consider all evidence and use the word Jew, imo.

I don't know what magnora7 is interested in, but I'm here and willing to admit Jesuits might be the real power brokers if that's how the evidence looks.

But convincing me that Zionists are 0% of the cabal will be difficult or impossible, the VA approach. Convincing me Zionists are mere scapegoats and only 5% of the cabal is a lot less radical and more realistic.

[–]d3rr 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

he does it because he is worried about the usual anti-semitic memes spreading

Exactly. How far is he willing to go to do this? As far as minimizing Zionist involvement in WW2?

[–]HibikiBlack[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not like he is minimizing it, It's just that It's irrelevant to him. If the Jews aren't the strongest group behind the NWO and there are only groups of them involved, then we should focus our time with the strongests groups. To be fair to him, a lot of people do fall into the usual super anti-semitic memes and there aren't that many Anti-Jesuit posters either. Everything involving the Jesuits gets downvoted to hell in r/conspiracy.

If you ask me, the fact that there has been Jews that have done bad things in the past and some that continue to happen, like how they help with the subversion of the media, for example, is enough reason to have moderate paranoia against them. Or at least that's my justification for my anti-Semitism. Like I said before, I don't actually support violence against them. I'm sure V_A has a similar point of view since he is also an anti-Semitic nationalist.