Why does anyone still trust polls after they said it was 99% that Hillary would win

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[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I don't know why anyone trusts democracy. It's a huge corrupting influence.

You may be confusing democracy for oligarchy, and corporatocracy. The oligarchy drives the corrupting influence of money in politics.

The oligarchs select candidates for the election-selection parade.

Democracy is only as good as the public demands.

[–]sawboss 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

Democracy is only as good as the public demands.

Currently the majority of the public demands fascism. Therefore -> fascism.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The public has been brainwashed. Many are waking up, though.

We have reason to remain optimistic.

[–]sawboss 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Don't take my word for it. Listen to a man who has been to the beast's lair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvBnBtIOeWQ

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

RP doesn't suggest that the public is delaying fascism.

His statements confirm that the oligarchs are running the system. Pelosi and boener are oligarch chess pieces.

If your an anarchist, then you definitely believe in democracy.

The current system is an banksters oligarch zombie wrapped in a tattered blanket of democracy.

Anarchism and volunteerism are predicated on the will of the people.

Demos = people.
Cracy = rule.

You're a closet supporter.

[–]sawboss 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

If your an anarchist, then you definitely believe in democracy.

I'm not a pure anarchist. I think there is a role for government in protecting individual liberties for the citizenry.

the will of the people.

Framing the state as "the will of the people." Fucking fascist language right there.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Framing the state as "the will of the people." Fucking fascist language right there.

The will of the people, is the will of the people. It's a concept that is states seek to attach to themselves, to gain legitimacy.

Fascism is the corporatatocracy.

[–]sawboss 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm disengaging this thread here.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Got nothing, huh?

[–]sawboss 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The discussion is too fragmented to be worthwhile. Original premise is now obscured by debate over meanings of words. Nothing to accomplish by expanding it further. So, I'm letting it drop.

[–]FormosaOolong 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Democracy is only as good as the public demands.

Hear, hear! And now we have gotten ourselves into a position where we have little leverage left to demand even the most basic rights, let alone a global society where everyone can thrive.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

80 years of oligarchical planning that has isolated the public and dismantled most feelings of community, and 110 years of propaganda experiments.

In reality, power resides with the people. Unfortunately, they've been brainwashed into apathy