Zeitgeist Refuted Final Cut (full movie) - VerseByVerseBT [1.59.30]

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[–]Jiminy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

There's plenty of proof Jesus existed. But the Romans did take over the movement and add a bunch of pagan zodiac shit to it.

[–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Interesting. Do you have a source?

And Zeitgeist also claims the gospel is just a reconfiguration of Ancient Egyptian mythology.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Just use common sense. The Romans first tried to persecute Christians. The Roman's wanted people to follow their own state religion. But the Christians wouldn't give up, they'd die for their beliefs. So finally they legalized Christianity and eventually kept adding pagan things to it and made it the state religion.

[–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Bullshit. Christians were persecuted intermittently based on the caprice of whatever emperor happened to be in power. Nero was bad news for them, for example. But the religion was never 'legalized' because it was never outlawed to begin with. There was freedom of religion in the ancient Roman world. They didn't like Christians because their religion precluded worshipping / honouring the emperor, which was required.

Christianity exploded in popularity after Constantine converted. It's often claimed that this was a strategic move to develop unity in the empire. Indeed, that is the mainstream academic view. Personally I'm skeptical of that claim. His vision and conversion could've been authentic (meaning he actually saw a cross in the sky). He didn't even adopt Christianity as the official state religion, that came later.

Regarding Pagan things being added: the chronology doesn't always point it out. One popular claim is that placing Christmas on December 25 is because Sol Invictus's festival was on that date. But that could've been coincidence. The date is derived from the Spring equinox; it's nine months after it. This was picked so that he would've been conceived on the same day of the year when he would die, as a variation of being born on the same day one dies, which is a legend applied to saints.

Check out this video for an in-depth look at the Sol Invictus case so that you can see that fall apart.

But feel free to tell me what specific cases of Paganization you have in mind. Oftentimes it's the Christians who appropriated Roman religion from the get-go.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

lol could have been a coincidence

Think of it this way, theres no need to deny and get angry, god created everything. Including the Romans. They followed the wrong religion until they were introduced to Christianity. It took time which makes sense. But eventually they came around. We should be Christians, not Catholics. They did add a bunch of bullshit. Focus on the non pagan parts of it, focus on Jesus.