Video: UK Health Security Head Admits Use Of Face Masks Was Never ‘Evidence Based’

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[–]youfuckingtwat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

never

This is disinformation. It's obviously taken out of context. Find the link to the rest of the discussion and you'll see that she's discussing the rational for lockdowns, and the limited info in those early days on the effectiveness of different kinds of masks for COVID prevention. You'll remember that there were numerous studies (showing their effectiveness) throughout 2020 and 2021: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=effectiveness+face+masks+during+covid&va=t&t=ha&ia=web

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

there were numerous studies (showing their effectiveness)

All junk science. Studies on mask effectiveness are based on taking a new mask, gluing it down over an air-input pipe to ensure there is absolutely no air leakage around the edges, and seeing whether or not it blocks virus-sized particles. Well that's just great, except that no actual human being glues the mask to their face. In real life, there is always air leakage around the edges of disposable masks. Even tightly fitted disposable masks don't stay tightly fit all day.

Virus particles are at least 10-100 times smaller than the gaps between the fibres in surgical and N95 masks. To combat that, during manufacture the fibres in N95 masks are charged up with thousands of volts to give them an electric charge of about 10 nanocoulombs, making them into a permanent electret. The electric field attracts microscopic particles to the fibres and traps them. Well, that's the intention, but in practice the electric charge leaks away over time, or when exposed to moist air, or when touched. That's why you're not supposed to re-use masks, or wash them, or even spray them with alcohol. After some hours, the electric charge is completely gone.

That's not a problem for laboratory tests which only last a few minutes, maybe an hour. But the test conditions are nothing like real-world use:

  • humans exhale moist air, which causes the electric charge to disperse even faster than it would normally;
  • they are often required to wear the masks for many hours at a time, not just a few minutes;
  • they frequently need to touch the mask to adjust it, or to take it off to eat or drink;
  • if they are wearing it outside they may get caught in rain.

Even if the mask was perfectly effective at blocking viruses at the start of the day, it won't stay that way.

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[–]youfuckingtwat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Thanks, though:

All junk science.

99.99% of medical science professionals vs. misinformation you kindly list here.

Even if the mask was perfectly effective at blocking viruses....

That was not the capability or purpose of the masks, which are meant to help with social distancing. If someone coughs COVID 3 feet from you, your mask will help you avoid contact with that cough. It's been common at the anti-vax disinformation websites to try to convince morons that only one of the preventative measures (social distancing, masks, vaccine, quarantine, lockdowns &c) would not fully stop transmission of the virus, so therefore abandon all of them and join in the anti-science disinformation brigade. We know that the combination of preventative measures HELPED reduce transmission when they were used. Medical science research has assessed these factors.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

99 dumb studies doesn't disprove 1 good study. It doesn't work that way.

[–]youfuckingtwat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

indeed

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

99.99% of medical science professionals

A gentle reminder that most published scientific papers are wrong:

  • most published studies are false
  • data dredging
  • p-value hacking
  • publication bias (studies that get the wrong result are buried and never published)
  • biased, lazy and incompetent reviewers
  • censorship of outsiders and political interference
  • outright fraud e.g. the Surgisphere fraud
  • undisclosed conflict of interest
  • insufficient detail given to replicate the study
  • the ongoing replication crisis
  • bad or misleading use of statistics
  • failure to allow for relevant differences between the control and experimental groups

and many more, some innocent mistakes, some not even a bit innocent.

This has been a huge problem in medicine for many decades, and doctors and scientists have written widely about this. This is not some "wacky conspiracy theory". The wacky conspiracy theory is that criticisms of the bad science is "a conspiracy theory".

[–]youfuckingtwat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All of which is disinformation

Consider who paid for this bullshit to be spread to the most gullible voters in the US

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you are a misinformation bot, you are such a skilled one that perhaps you should just rule the world, because you make more sense than most.

I think you make an excellent argument. I never believed masks worked, because I think the virus was everywhere in the air at its height in cities.

This year's flu is also not to be recommended, btw. What a fucking nightmare.

[–]Bigs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But there were literally over 100 before the plandemic showing they didn't work at all, so no, I'm not interested in bullshit 'studies' created to further the narrative.

[–]youfuckingtwat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You should wonder why wealthy investors paid billions to develop disinformation websites and disinformation articles in order to convince people like you that science is somehow bad, and how that worked with 10% of the US, and partially worked with 30%. You should wonder how those new websites helped the billionaire investors much richer, by extending COVID illnesses and deaths (for those infected by the non-mask-wearing assholes), extending lockdowns, killing small businesses, and killing part of the middle class. It increased extreme income inequality, which created much wealthier billionaires. Scientific research had proven that masks were very helpful. If you distrust the scientific peer reviewed research, also avoid modern medicine, technology, and secular thinking; move to the woods, live in a tent, and live on berries.